1 00:00:14,370 --> 00:00:35,209 [Music] 2 00:00:40,939 --> 00:00:38,090 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 3 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:40,949 will usher host this is podcast UFO and 4 00:00:47,180 --> 00:00:44,120 we're live on kgr a radio and also live 5 00:00:50,090 --> 00:00:47,190 simulcast on youtube like every week and 6 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:50,100 our guests this evening with two guests 7 00:00:57,259 --> 00:00:53,579 a gem Penniston he was involved in the 8 00:01:01,939 --> 00:00:57,269 1980 Rendlesham forest incident heavily 9 00:01:05,479 --> 00:01:01,949 involved as 850 confinement you and we 10 00:01:07,639 --> 00:01:05,489 also have Gary Osborn and he has been 11 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:07,649 working with Jim and John Burroughs as 12 00:01:13,669 --> 00:01:12,240 far as the binary code goes that's 13 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:13,679 interesting we'll be talking about that 14 00:01:18,950 --> 00:01:16,050 later tonight before that I have 15 00:01:21,590 --> 00:01:18,960 Alejandro Rojas coming up with UFO 16 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:21,600 updates and I want to thank everyone 17 00:01:25,340 --> 00:01:23,280 that supports the show without our 18 00:01:27,859 --> 00:01:25,350 without your support we couldn't do that 19 00:01:29,899 --> 00:01:27,869 anybody can support the show and all you 20 00:01:32,690 --> 00:01:29,909 have to do is go to podcast UFO comm we 21 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:32,700 do have a blog we have a blog every week 22 00:01:38,690 --> 00:01:35,310 now Charles Lear is writing for us and 23 00:01:41,809 --> 00:01:38,700 he has written a blog on Rendlesham the 24 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:41,819 render some incident and he says the 25 00:01:46,969 --> 00:01:44,610 title of that particular one is the 26 00:01:50,449 --> 00:01:46,979 Rendlesham forest incident ain't easy 27 00:01:52,070 --> 00:01:50,459 and he talks about in the blog all the 28 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:52,080 different twists and turns that seem to 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:54,479 take place and the different accounts 30 00:02:00,050 --> 00:01:56,250 and things like that well written as 31 00:02:07,219 --> 00:02:00,060 usual and that's it for me alejandro 32 00:02:12,410 --> 00:02:07,229 welcome to the show Alejandro Alejandro 33 00:02:15,130 --> 00:02:12,420 are you muted am i muted that could very 34 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:18,220 I am sorry to say folks I just found out 35 00:02:22,750 --> 00:02:20,150 that I that I've been muted this whole 36 00:02:24,730 --> 00:02:22,760 time and I will take care of that oh 37 00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:24,740 yeah I will take care of that you can 38 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:27,650 hear me now right I'm happy to be here 39 00:02:33,340 --> 00:02:30,620 as well my friend yeah so here's the 40 00:02:35,380 --> 00:02:33,350 biggest news of the week in my opinion 41 00:02:38,380 --> 00:02:35,390 there's lots of good news but this is a 42 00:02:40,570 --> 00:02:38,390 big one because it's a UFO Congress so 43 00:02:42,699 --> 00:02:40,580 we have posted tickets so now you can go 44 00:02:46,900 --> 00:02:42,709 to UFO Congress calm you can buy tickets 45 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:46,910 and this is a special for Martin show if 46 00:02:53,020 --> 00:02:49,220 you use the code SAVE at 50 all 47 00:02:55,570 --> 00:02:53,030 uppercase save save 50 you'll get $50 48 00:02:57,940 --> 00:02:55,580 off packages so these are the packages 49 00:03:01,210 --> 00:02:57,950 for going to the whole thing so save 50 50 00:03:04,570 --> 00:03:01,220 $50 off so UFO Congress calm that's big 51 00:03:09,370 --> 00:03:04,580 news I think hi it's UFO news yeah in a 52 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:09,380 way way yes excited they're saying you 53 00:03:13,570 --> 00:03:11,690 know that the tickets are available I 54 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:13,580 saw chase write something everybody's 55 00:03:18,010 --> 00:03:15,920 pretty happy about it that's great yeah 56 00:03:20,259 --> 00:03:18,020 it is big news I wasn't messing with you 57 00:03:22,810 --> 00:03:20,269 I wouldn't mess with you here's other 58 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:22,820 big news I think this is interesting you 59 00:03:27,009 --> 00:03:24,470 and I talked about this the other day 60 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:27,019 but I just think this is a really 61 00:03:30,220 --> 00:03:28,610 important statement and it's getting 62 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:30,230 lost so the Senate Armed Services 63 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:33,380 Committee held a hearing on the space 64 00:03:39,310 --> 00:03:36,410 force on April 11th and Richard 65 00:03:41,410 --> 00:03:39,320 Blumenthal made a comment the American 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:41,420 people have no idea really no idea about 67 00:03:47,170 --> 00:03:44,930 the immensity of the threat in space he 68 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:47,180 went on to say I think like I think we 69 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:49,130 have a real obligation to explain to the 70 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:51,620 American people why space is a domain 71 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:54,110 that matters why the threats there are 72 00:03:59,410 --> 00:03:56,780 real and urgent and why they are growing 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:03:59,420 in importance he says we're here having 74 00:04:03,550 --> 00:04:01,850 a discussion on the space force but the 75 00:04:06,460 --> 00:04:03,560 American people don't even understand 76 00:04:08,140 --> 00:04:06,470 that why it's so important what's going 77 00:04:10,030 --> 00:04:08,150 on because what the important parts of 78 00:04:11,890 --> 00:04:10,040 this are classified and we need to tell 79 00:04:13,660 --> 00:04:11,900 the public about it so there's a couple 80 00:04:15,069 --> 00:04:13,670 reasons these are this is interesting of 81 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:15,079 course a lot of people are saying always 82 00:04:19,270 --> 00:04:17,329 got to be talking about aliens and to 83 00:04:22,180 --> 00:04:19,280 support this they do make the point that 84 00:04:25,870 --> 00:04:22,190 you know this Pentagon UFO project has 85 00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:25,880 had some briefings recently to Congress 86 00:04:29,050 --> 00:04:27,919 and including the Senate Armed Services 87 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:29,060 Committee 88 00:04:33,159 --> 00:04:30,680 no doubt Blumenthal and others have 89 00:04:36,070 --> 00:04:33,169 heard some stuff about UFOs lately 90 00:04:38,260 --> 00:04:36,080 however he does talk about in terms of 91 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:38,270 our adversaries that our adversaries 92 00:04:43,270 --> 00:04:40,850 have essentially technology up there 93 00:04:44,860 --> 00:04:43,280 we know they have it they know we know 94 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:44,870 we have it but we haven't been able to 95 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:46,550 tell the American public that they have 96 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:48,710 this and so he's essentially talking 97 00:04:54,070 --> 00:04:50,810 about China and Russia where it does 98 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:54,080 clue into UFOs I think is that you know 99 00:04:57,820 --> 00:04:55,610 it's another indication that there are 100 00:04:59,590 --> 00:04:57,830 advanced technologies in our skies not 101 00:05:01,810 --> 00:04:59,600 just our own but also China and Russia 102 00:05:03,550 --> 00:05:01,820 that are being used that could 103 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:03,560 definitely be mistaken for something 104 00:05:07,810 --> 00:05:05,750 more mysterious so for instance one of 105 00:05:10,210 --> 00:05:07,820 my best UFO sightings was what looked 106 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:10,220 like a satellite about 10-15 years ago 107 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:12,110 but it turned around and went the other 108 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:14,330 direction and satellites don't do that 109 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:16,460 well not the satellites we'd know about 110 00:05:21,010 --> 00:05:18,710 there certainly could have been even 111 00:05:22,540 --> 00:05:21,020 back then satellites that were able to 112 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:22,550 do it they were just Chinese or Russian 113 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:25,310 or maybe even our secret satellites so 114 00:05:29,409 --> 00:05:27,530 that's the big takeaway here but still 115 00:05:30,670 --> 00:05:29,419 that the American public are not being 116 00:05:33,070 --> 00:05:30,680 told about something that is so 117 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:33,080 important and if people go I have a link 118 00:05:39,159 --> 00:05:35,690 to this on the front page of open minds 119 00:05:40,659 --> 00:05:39,169 TV you can just see how how much he's 120 00:05:44,140 --> 00:05:40,669 stressing this how important and how 121 00:05:46,090 --> 00:05:44,150 major he seems to be saying these 122 00:05:47,950 --> 00:05:46,100 threats are so I think that's a that's 123 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:47,960 definitely a hot topic out there in the 124 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:50,990 UFO world but it's really interesting 125 00:05:55,930 --> 00:05:53,330 really interesting stuff I think what 126 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:55,940 were yours that's yeah I I think I'm 127 00:05:59,670 --> 00:05:57,289 right there with you I think there's 128 00:06:02,710 --> 00:05:59,680 probably it's probably not so much about 129 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:02,720 UFOs as it is the threat from other 130 00:06:09,940 --> 00:06:05,810 nations I mean if there are I know there 131 00:06:13,409 --> 00:06:09,950 was a space treaty signed back in 1967 I 132 00:06:16,900 --> 00:06:13,419 think it was the Outer Space Treaty but 133 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:16,910 you know that doesn't that's that's a 134 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:18,320 piece of paper things can still happen 135 00:06:23,590 --> 00:06:21,590 and you wonder you know there's 108 136 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:23,600 countries that are involved in that but 137 00:06:29,140 --> 00:06:25,960 and I don't know how many countries have 138 00:06:33,580 --> 00:06:29,150 things orbiting the planet either you 139 00:06:35,620 --> 00:06:33,590 know III doubt it's very many people as 140 00:06:39,190 --> 00:06:35,630 far as countries go having satellites 141 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:39,200 but who knows what is up there for I I 142 00:06:44,379 --> 00:06:42,710 don't think it's disclosed exactly what 143 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:44,389 from one country to another what the 144 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:46,250 satellites are up there is it do you 145 00:06:51,070 --> 00:06:48,110 know no I mean we don't know we know 146 00:06:52,750 --> 00:06:51,080 commercial satellites and you know the 147 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:52,760 thing with things floating in space is 148 00:06:57,490 --> 00:06:55,550 that we can see them so astronomers up 149 00:06:59,350 --> 00:06:57,500 there and amateur astronomers are 150 00:07:01,629 --> 00:06:59,360 looking for things to spit in space and 151 00:07:03,159 --> 00:07:01,639 they track them so when you go to like 152 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:03,169 heavens above which a lot of UFO 153 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:05,330 researchers use because it shows it 154 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:07,010 tracks all the stuff in space whether 155 00:07:11,590 --> 00:07:09,710 that be man-made or not and a lot of 156 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:11,600 those things that are listed there we 157 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:13,610 don't know what it is but we know it's 158 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:15,410 there because astronomers are tracking 159 00:07:20,050 --> 00:07:17,930 them so we can see these things even if 160 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:20,060 we don't know what they are and some of 161 00:07:23,529 --> 00:07:22,010 this stuff yeah we don't know and when 162 00:07:25,390 --> 00:07:23,539 you go into heavens above you can even 163 00:07:27,340 --> 00:07:25,400 read up on the object and you'll see 164 00:07:28,750 --> 00:07:27,350 people's best guesses but there 165 00:07:30,610 --> 00:07:28,760 certainly check out there that's being 166 00:07:31,990 --> 00:07:30,620 made we don't know about so for instance 167 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:32,000 one of the things I would spotted up 168 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:33,889 there in the past few years has been 169 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:35,840 this miniature space shuttle that the 170 00:07:41,170 --> 00:07:38,930 Air Force controls and flies around up 171 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:41,180 there but we don't know what's in that 172 00:07:44,740 --> 00:07:42,889 miniature space shuttle or what they're 173 00:07:46,810 --> 00:07:44,750 doing with it and it will literally be 174 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:46,820 up there for like a year flying around 175 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:49,280 so that's an example of a secret thing 176 00:07:54,339 --> 00:07:52,190 even the US has Tyler broke away wrote a 177 00:07:58,870 --> 00:07:54,349 story recently about an area in 178 00:08:00,010 --> 00:07:58,880 Vandenberg Air Force Base where the we 179 00:08:02,469 --> 00:08:00,020 don't know what's going there there's 180 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:02,479 some secret stuff going on in this area 181 00:08:06,580 --> 00:08:04,970 he makes a point also that you know even 182 00:08:08,290 --> 00:08:06,590 when the US Air Force is doing secret 183 00:08:10,210 --> 00:08:08,300 stuff at least we typically know where 184 00:08:12,250 --> 00:08:10,220 they're doing it we even know you know a 185 00:08:14,409 --> 00:08:12,260 lot of what's going on at area 51 not 186 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:14,419 everything but who's operating there and 187 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:16,849 stuff like that but and these MIDI 188 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:18,289 satellites we know where they're 189 00:08:22,779 --> 00:08:19,970 launched where they're operated out of 190 00:08:24,219 --> 00:08:22,789 and but we don't know what's going on in 191 00:08:25,450 --> 00:08:24,229 this area in Vandenberg and he 192 00:08:27,820 --> 00:08:25,460 speculates there could be a lot of 193 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:27,830 different types of technology secret 194 00:08:31,330 --> 00:08:29,570 technologies that are coming out of 195 00:08:33,430 --> 00:08:31,340 there so that's another interesting 196 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:33,440 aspect we don't know what is all going 197 00:08:38,890 --> 00:08:36,500 on in another update though I'm moving 198 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:38,900 on there some more bob lazar news also 199 00:08:44,199 --> 00:08:41,810 so there's a police officer who is 200 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:44,209 interested in this topic he's retired he 201 00:08:50,079 --> 00:08:45,890 decided to do some research and he 202 00:08:52,510 --> 00:08:50,089 queried the local police about this raid 203 00:08:54,730 --> 00:08:52,520 that happened so if you have seen Jeremy 204 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:54,740 corbels film on Bob Lazar or if you 205 00:08:58,510 --> 00:08:56,570 follow Jeremy Korbel on 206 00:09:00,280 --> 00:08:58,520 social media he talks about how when he 207 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:00,290 is filming this documentary on Bob Lazar 208 00:09:05,010 --> 00:09:02,510 the FBI and other law enforcement 209 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:05,020 agencies came in and raided the house 210 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:06,890 allegedly they were just looking for 211 00:09:10,930 --> 00:09:09,440 receipts and so they were wondering why 212 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:10,940 did they bring in all of these people 213 00:09:15,070 --> 00:09:12,530 they could have just emailed about these 214 00:09:17,110 --> 00:09:15,080 receipts from a customer from a couple 215 00:09:19,030 --> 00:09:17,120 years ago well the police report that 216 00:09:21,490 --> 00:09:19,040 this former police officer got reveals a 217 00:09:23,740 --> 00:09:21,500 lot more it turns out that whoever 218 00:09:26,380 --> 00:09:23,750 bought this material thallium or at 219 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:26,390 least I should say we don't know edite 220 00:09:33,610 --> 00:09:31,490 'ls what we know is that the the it's 221 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:33,620 related to a murder case so the person 222 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:35,270 who bought this material a couple years 223 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:37,730 prior is suspected of murdering someone 224 00:09:43,540 --> 00:09:40,880 with something called thallium which in 225 00:09:45,850 --> 00:09:43,550 one form is a poison now Bob Lazar sells 226 00:09:49,930 --> 00:09:45,860 this stuff but in a form that is safe 227 00:09:52,270 --> 00:09:49,940 and legal to sell but in this document 228 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:52,280 that the police provided it says they 229 00:09:56,590 --> 00:09:54,350 suspected Bob Lazar was selling this 230 00:09:58,450 --> 00:09:56,600 stuff so when they raided the reason 231 00:10:02,320 --> 00:09:58,460 they had the hazmat uniforms and 232 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:02,330 everything was apparently because they 233 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:04,730 were looking for this poison that they 234 00:10:09,790 --> 00:10:07,310 felt perhaps Bob Lazar sold this person 235 00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:09,800 so that's what it was about of course 236 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:12,440 Jeremie and apparently Bob think that 237 00:10:17,620 --> 00:10:15,830 they were looking for element 115 but at 238 00:10:19,150 --> 00:10:17,630 least now this other story has come out 239 00:10:21,220 --> 00:10:19,160 that it was actually a poison they were 240 00:10:22,690 --> 00:10:21,230 looking for so it's either side some of 241 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:22,700 the people reporting it even the police 242 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:24,590 officer is saying look it doesn't look 243 00:10:32,380 --> 00:10:29,810 like bob was you know was arrested or is 244 00:10:34,300 --> 00:10:32,390 being accused of any crime at all so it 245 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:34,310 doesn't look like he had anything to do 246 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:37,010 with this murder that had happened but 247 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:39,110 that's what this was related to and they 248 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:41,690 also argue he and others argue that it 249 00:10:46,300 --> 00:10:43,850 still could be some coverup and an 250 00:10:48,430 --> 00:10:46,310 excuse to come look for the element 115 251 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:48,440 yeah I don't know about that so who 252 00:10:56,470 --> 00:10:53,930 knows but yeah isn't valiums a drug it's 253 00:10:58,990 --> 00:10:56,480 it's called the same thing or well yeah 254 00:11:01,000 --> 00:10:59,000 it's called the same thing so a lot of 255 00:11:03,580 --> 00:11:01,010 minerals are like that because they can 256 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:03,590 be in many different forms and used for 257 00:11:07,630 --> 00:11:05,810 many different things a zinc for 258 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:07,640 instance it could be used as a metal it 259 00:11:12,090 --> 00:11:10,250 can be used as a supplement so seems 260 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:12,100 sort of things there are many uses for 261 00:11:17,230 --> 00:11:14,720 Alma thallium and it's different forms 262 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:17,240 and one of those is poison which 263 00:11:22,690 --> 00:11:19,730 apparently this person used to kill his 264 00:11:24,910 --> 00:11:22,700 wife a couple years ago so I've got the 265 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:24,920 link to the blog that this former police 266 00:11:28,900 --> 00:11:26,570 officer wrote he's a great guy great 267 00:11:30,700 --> 00:11:28,910 writer and he's not saying this doesn't 268 00:11:32,110 --> 00:11:30,710 say anything either way it just gives us 269 00:11:33,670 --> 00:11:32,120 some more insight into what was 270 00:11:35,950 --> 00:11:33,680 happening there 271 00:11:37,510 --> 00:11:35,960 interesting Wow those are probably yeah 272 00:11:39,970 --> 00:11:37,520 the big new stories of the week 273 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:39,980 excellent well thanks so much alejandro 274 00:11:44,140 --> 00:11:42,290 yep thank you alright and we'll be 275 00:11:45,430 --> 00:11:44,150 talking to you next week talk to you 276 00:11:49,150 --> 00:11:45,440 later all right have a good one 277 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:49,160 you too all right our guests tonight we 278 00:11:54,820 --> 00:11:52,790 have well let me just say in 1980 our 279 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:54,830 guest Jim Penniston was assigned to the 280 00:12:00,340 --> 00:11:57,290 largest Tactical Fighter Wing in the Air 281 00:12:02,350 --> 00:12:00,350 Force RAF Woodbridge in England he was a 282 00:12:05,050 --> 00:12:02,360 senior security officer in charge of 283 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:05,060 base security and at that time he held 284 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:06,710 the top-secret US and NATO security 285 00:12:11,530 --> 00:12:09,710 clearance and was responsible and the 286 00:12:14,590 --> 00:12:11,540 protection of war-making resources for 287 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:14,600 that base and there what happened on the 288 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:17,690 26th of December 1980 we're going to be 289 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:19,850 talking about welcome to the show Bob 290 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:23,600 and Jim how are you 291 00:12:29,020 --> 00:12:27,010 you have to unmute your mic there I just 292 00:12:30,579 --> 00:12:29,030 that's all right we're on trouble with 293 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:30,589 mutes tonight 294 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:33,770 I'm glad we're not mute and we can talk 295 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:36,010 about it so welcome to the show Jim 296 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:38,930 thank you thank you for having me yes 297 00:12:45,970 --> 00:12:41,330 and also Bob where are you Bob 298 00:12:49,150 --> 00:12:45,980 how are you and welcome to the show Bob 299 00:12:50,290 --> 00:12:49,160 I think you might be muted as well who's 300 00:12:54,490 --> 00:12:50,300 that 301 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:54,500 I'm sorry Bob Gary Gary are you there 302 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:03,850 did we lose Gary well let's move on now 303 00:13:10,180 --> 00:13:07,570 and now hopeful various how are you Gary 304 00:13:13,630 --> 00:13:10,190 Gary your your muted or something we're 305 00:13:15,510 --> 00:13:13,640 not hearing you this this is good live 306 00:13:17,860 --> 00:13:15,520 radio Gary we're not hearing you still I 307 00:13:22,329 --> 00:13:17,870 can see you you want to wave to 308 00:13:24,050 --> 00:13:22,339 everybody on YouTube so why don't you 309 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:24,060 unplug and once you try to figure that 310 00:13:28,970 --> 00:13:27,450 we're not check on your mute on your on 311 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:28,980 your computer we may be having some type 312 00:13:34,100 --> 00:13:30,300 of weird Skype thing because we've all 313 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:34,110 had mute troubles tonight still not 314 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:37,890 hearing you here at Gary he's muted 315 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:40,410 Martin I can hover my my cursor over his 316 00:13:45,710 --> 00:13:43,260 picture and it shows he's muted okay 317 00:13:52,190 --> 00:13:45,720 but we're not we're not muting him on 318 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:52,200 this side right Gary try to hover over 319 00:13:57,700 --> 00:13:55,260 your your Skype and see what you can 320 00:14:00,460 --> 00:13:57,710 find as far as up the mute try to unmute 321 00:14:03,830 --> 00:14:00,470 your skype is showing that you're muted 322 00:14:06,140 --> 00:14:03,840 and still not hearing you 323 00:14:11,690 --> 00:14:06,150 well you want to listen to the show 324 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:11,700 tonight Gary let's let's move on for 325 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:14,520 right now Jim thank you very much for 326 00:14:17,660 --> 00:14:15,690 being on the show it's taken quite a 327 00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:17,670 while you and I have talked back and 328 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:20,790 forth on Facebook and I'm so glad you 329 00:14:25,510 --> 00:14:23,190 finally said yes and you have a book 330 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:25,520 coming out we'll talk about that tonight 331 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:28,920 but Jim for the I do have a lot of new 332 00:14:32,630 --> 00:14:30,330 listeners I have a lot of people that 333 00:14:36,670 --> 00:14:32,640 are also new to the UFO community and 334 00:14:40,270 --> 00:14:36,680 not familiar with it at all can you tell 335 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:40,280 tell the listening audience out there 336 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:43,530 what would happen back in the 26 of 337 00:14:49,940 --> 00:14:47,400 December 1980 and in a nutshell and what 338 00:14:54,380 --> 00:14:49,950 was your involvement in that okay I'll 339 00:14:56,060 --> 00:14:54,390 try to keep it down to three hours no 340 00:15:01,490 --> 00:14:56,070 it's actually it's a quite a bit 341 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:01,500 happened the capsulated well I started 342 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:03,210 shift we were working 12-hour shifts 343 00:15:11,150 --> 00:15:07,350 security was and it was a night just 344 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:11,160 like any other night we had started 345 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:13,050 doing the routine stuff you don't like 346 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:15,450 lighting checks and things like that 347 00:15:20,570 --> 00:15:18,530 posting kind of different patrols and 348 00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:20,580 anyway we got all the way through that 349 00:15:25,340 --> 00:15:22,920 and I had mentioned to the Security 350 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:25,350 Response Team Leader solder McCauley 351 00:15:29,420 --> 00:15:27,210 that you know I'd meet him at the chow 352 00:15:32,810 --> 00:15:29,430 hall we'd have breakfast together so it 353 00:15:34,970 --> 00:15:32,820 was around midnight and when I got there 354 00:15:37,070 --> 00:15:34,980 sorry McCauley says they're trying to 355 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:37,080 get a hold of you from CSC 356 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:39,630 central security control I said okay so 357 00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:41,850 we had direct line so I picked it up and 358 00:15:45,860 --> 00:15:43,500 I was starting coffee to senior 359 00:15:50,570 --> 00:15:45,870 controller and I said what's going on 360 00:15:52,820 --> 00:15:50,580 and he says you need to get to the east 361 00:15:55,010 --> 00:15:52,830 gate we have a we have a situation out 362 00:15:57,050 --> 00:15:55,020 there and I said okay what was it means 363 00:16:00,530 --> 00:15:57,060 debrief you when you when you get there 364 00:16:03,410 --> 00:16:00,540 which was odd and the second thing he 365 00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:03,420 says run co2 which is lights so that 366 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:06,420 means it was ASAP so I headed on out 367 00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:13,410 there as fast as I could and arrived at 368 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:17,160 Eastgate contact is the senior law 369 00:16:21,020 --> 00:16:18,720 enforcement guy who was hired in 370 00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:21,030 Stefan's and I said what's going on 371 00:16:26,900 --> 00:16:24,150 button he said he pointed over to the 372 00:16:31,130 --> 00:16:26,910 woods over a rental from forest area and 373 00:16:32,990 --> 00:16:31,140 I could see a you know I don't know 374 00:16:34,670 --> 00:16:33,000 white light over the forest and 375 00:16:38,390 --> 00:16:34,680 different color lights going on 376 00:16:40,810 --> 00:16:38,400 throughout the tree line and I says I 377 00:16:43,100 --> 00:16:40,820 wasn't sure what it was like 378 00:16:45,740 --> 00:16:43,110 he's dying you guys assumed it might 379 00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:45,750 have been a maybe a crash on an aircraft 380 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:49,740 on me and so I got a I said well but 381 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:53,160 they said be here crash and goes no so 382 00:16:57,500 --> 00:16:55,170 think crashed landed that's that's 383 00:16:59,180 --> 00:16:57,510 impossible you know because the first 384 00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,190 all the trees were too close together I 385 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:01,440 mean like five six feet four or five 386 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:04,530 feet they weren't very good and so I 387 00:17:10,550 --> 00:17:07,050 tried to talk him out of that I kept 388 00:17:13,850 --> 00:17:10,560 saying what did you hear it crash and he 389 00:17:14,660 --> 00:17:13,860 just he was said no it landed there it's 390 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:14,670 okay okay 391 00:17:20,570 --> 00:17:17,610 so I went over to the direct line they 392 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:20,580 had a law enforcement that the east gate 393 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:23,130 I had law enforcement deaths patch me 394 00:17:29,810 --> 00:17:24,870 through to the control center who was in 395 00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:29,820 charge of the operation and I said I 396 00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:31,980 relate to what start and stuff and 397 00:17:35,570 --> 00:17:33,600 sudden I said yes it appears to be 398 00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:35,580 something out it was possibly burning 399 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:40,320 and yeah but in the way this works 400 00:17:45,710 --> 00:17:43,290 Martin is when I what I call with all 401 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:45,720 this took about a minute okay maybe a 402 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,410 minute half when I call there's like 403 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:50,880 five people in the line 404 00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:53,250 senior controller I had the compadre I 405 00:17:57,020 --> 00:17:55,140 had the shift commander I had the fight 406 00:18:00,380 --> 00:17:57,030 chief chief I mean it was everybody 407 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:00,390 who's on there and when I was talking to 408 00:18:07,670 --> 00:18:02,730 one other people were doing other duties 409 00:18:10,460 --> 00:18:07,680 and I said I think it's possible the 410 00:18:12,140 --> 00:18:10,470 aircraft died and then started coffee 411 00:18:15,140 --> 00:18:12,150 came back across or might have been 412 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:15,150 started Dillard I'm not sure and said 413 00:18:19,630 --> 00:18:16,380 yeah we had lost 414 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:19,640 he contacted Eastern radar he contacted 415 00:18:26,690 --> 00:18:24,330 London radar and Bentwaters radar and he 416 00:18:29,270 --> 00:18:26,700 says yeah they lost contact with the 417 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:29,280 bogie you know about 15 minutes ago over 418 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:32,580 the base and we knew it wasn't a 419 00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:34,140 commercial aircraft because I got 420 00:18:41,030 --> 00:18:37,830 transponders so if we were figuring it 421 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:41,040 as probably military and anyway that was 422 00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:43,590 the emergency situation that existed 423 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:47,400 once that the control center confirmed 424 00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:53,610 they lost contact by a radar and the 425 00:18:59,180 --> 00:18:55,590 only way we could deploy off base is 426 00:19:00,740 --> 00:18:59,190 further emergency situations it was part 427 00:19:04,420 --> 00:19:00,750 of the software agreement Status of 428 00:19:07,670 --> 00:19:04,430 Forces Agreement of time and so 429 00:19:09,530 --> 00:19:07,680 immediately what we tried to do is we 430 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:09,540 tried to go ahead and set up you know 431 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:11,190 plotting and all this stuff we were 432 00:19:17,450 --> 00:19:14,930 doing all those kind of things and I 433 00:19:20,060 --> 00:19:17,460 picked two Airmen to go at me a security 434 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:20,070 airman it was first night there poor guy 435 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:21,810 his name was there when command slack 436 00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:23,580 and then I had to take a law-enforcement 437 00:19:29,030 --> 00:19:26,300 guy with me which I did not want to do 438 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:29,040 because they were they weren't security 439 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:32,460 security was in charge of the party a B 440 00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:36,330 and C resources they were trained in 441 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:38,340 aircraft crashes all kinds of stuff but 442 00:19:46,460 --> 00:19:41,610 law enforcement really wasn't and about 443 00:19:49,630 --> 00:19:46,470 to take Airmen Burl's with me and took 444 00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:49,640 the crash kit broke it open and the Jeep 445 00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,460 broke out the camera my intentions was 446 00:19:59,900 --> 00:19:55,440 go out there and stuff enter control 447 00:20:03,080 --> 00:19:59,910 point and then for you know for first 448 00:20:04,340 --> 00:20:03,090 responders but you know fire department 449 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:04,350 in mortuary 450 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:10,049 anybody else and so we got I drove out 451 00:20:14,779 --> 00:20:12,240 there as far as I can drive 452 00:20:17,690 --> 00:20:14,789 and there's berms earthen berms out 453 00:20:19,820 --> 00:20:17,700 there and because the forest is 454 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:19,830 routinely cut down there was a crop for 455 00:20:24,399 --> 00:20:21,690 the British that's what they did they 456 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,409 would grow trees and then cut them down 457 00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,120 and so these berms are like four or five 458 00:20:31,399 --> 00:20:29,039 feet high so if I was going as far as I 459 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:31,409 could with a jeep and I thought I was 460 00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:34,850 going to tip it over they're not exactly 461 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,159 there Center heavy anyway and so I 462 00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:41,039 stopped and at that point in time is 463 00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:42,600 that's where I was going to stop the 464 00:20:47,930 --> 00:20:44,100 entry control point because we couldn't 465 00:20:51,950 --> 00:20:47,940 go any farther and that's where I was 466 00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,960 going to have Arab ANZAC be there but 467 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:53,700 unfortunately the other problem I was 468 00:20:59,299 --> 00:20:56,610 having it was my radio difficulties so 469 00:21:03,529 --> 00:20:59,309 my transmissions were breaking up and 470 00:21:06,049 --> 00:21:03,539 things like that and so we were both all 471 00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:06,059 of you know cabanas I had a radio I had 472 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:12,299 a radio law enforcement did not and but 473 00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:14,370 we're still in contact with Eastgate in 474 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:16,470 the meantime starting tear the flight 475 00:21:22,909 --> 00:21:18,690 sergeant from Bentwaters is in route to 476 00:21:30,499 --> 00:21:22,919 the east gate to monitor the situation 477 00:21:34,389 --> 00:21:30,509 from there and so I took the camera out 478 00:21:37,340 --> 00:21:34,399 of the crash kit and we started myself 479 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,350 and with with their own Burroughs as far 480 00:21:46,460 --> 00:21:40,320 as we could go on walking we approached 481 00:21:53,060 --> 00:21:46,470 the the forest the perimeter of the 482 00:21:54,649 --> 00:21:53,070 forest and then you could see you know 483 00:21:56,779 --> 00:21:54,659 the lights the bonewalker lights in 484 00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:56,789 there but it was more bright it was 485 00:22:01,940 --> 00:21:58,679 getting brighter and more white light it 486 00:22:06,919 --> 00:22:01,950 was it was to the point where it was a 487 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:06,929 white yellow white blue it was it was a 488 00:22:16,759 --> 00:22:11,510 pretty bright light come another and as 489 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:16,769 as I got into the force which was got 490 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:18,090 very far a few feet 491 00:22:24,740 --> 00:22:21,570 I could start feeling a lot of static 492 00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:24,750 electricity on my skin my hair my 493 00:22:30,110 --> 00:22:27,960 clothes at first I thought that might 494 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:30,120 have been adrenaline but it was 495 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:35,400 continued and as I got a little bit 496 00:22:40,190 --> 00:22:38,130 farther closer to it there was a bright 497 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:40,200 white light that appeared to be an 498 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:48,570 explosion of light and then if we hit 499 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:51,390 the ground we hit the ground there's no 500 00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:53,580 there's no noise or nothing like that 501 00:22:59,360 --> 00:22:56,460 but we hit the ground I guess it's out 502 00:23:01,580 --> 00:22:59,370 of reaction but then when I found out 503 00:23:05,530 --> 00:23:01,590 you know like I'm still here and there 504 00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:05,540 was an explosion you know I got up and I 505 00:23:12,010 --> 00:23:07,620 started to proceed to walk a little bit 506 00:23:14,450 --> 00:23:12,020 farther and as I come up over the berm 507 00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:14,460 the white light started dissipating a 508 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,340 lot and I could see a formation of a 509 00:23:30,170 --> 00:23:23,760 craft a black Franko craft seeing just 510 00:23:33,410 --> 00:23:30,180 above this universe for and as I moved 511 00:23:35,870 --> 00:23:33,420 toward it I could fit my my movements 512 00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:35,880 being labored like I was walking through 513 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:40,230 a pool of water there was absolutely no 514 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:43,430 sound it was just dead there's no 515 00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:46,170 wildlife there was no air running 516 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:50,580 through the trees there was no crunching 517 00:23:58,850 --> 00:23:54,450 of branches on the ground there that was 518 00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:58,860 strange and so I was more fixed on the 519 00:24:04,580 --> 00:24:01,020 craft itself to that point in time I 520 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:04,590 looked over to my right I mean it was 521 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:08,010 Aaron Burroughs he was like 25 feet away 522 00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:10,380 or so and he was just standing there 523 00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:12,480 motionless so I don't know he was scared 524 00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:12,840 to death 525 00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:17,310 know if he was in shock I don't know but 526 00:24:20,510 --> 00:24:19,350 I calmed him as a casualty because he 527 00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:20,520 wasn't going to be able to help me out 528 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:26,940 at that point I had been taking all the 529 00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:28,970 pictures I could up to the craft I 530 00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:31,790 extended the roll of film 531 00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:35,470 at that time we had a 35-millimeter film 532 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:37,880 it wasn't like dizzy more 533 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:41,930 yeah we're nothing like that and so the 534 00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:45,020 next thing I did is I wasn't sure that 535 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:47,300 if I was going to make it or not I mean 536 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:52,610 though it was hostile or not so I knew 537 00:24:58,980 --> 00:24:55,250 it wasn't for sure an aircraft crash so 538 00:25:03,580 --> 00:24:58,990 I called in with the hopes of CSC 539 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:03,590 hearing what I was saying I turn ated 540 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:05,450 the aircraft crashed and I initiated a 541 00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:08,210 helping hand situation which is a scary 542 00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:11,240 situation involving a possible threat to 543 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,980 the ABC resources on the base so that 544 00:25:20,740 --> 00:25:17,360 was then that mental thought process 545 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:20,750 going on right there I was now it's that 546 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:27,650 could be possibly hostile and I later 547 00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:30,410 found out that I didn't know what the 548 00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,470 common goal could hear every 549 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:37,760 transmission I didn't make it's going to 550 00:25:45,790 --> 00:25:43,210 receive them and so I started to do a 551 00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:45,800 thorough investigation of it I started 552 00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:48,740 doing a walk-around I looked underneath 553 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:52,640 the craft it was fixed on above the 554 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:54,290 ground somehow there was light 555 00:26:01,180 --> 00:25:56,570 protruding on the ground on at the time 556 00:26:02,980 --> 00:26:01,190 to the ground can I interrupt you just a 557 00:26:04,450 --> 00:26:02,990 second there did you when you said you 558 00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:04,460 looked under the craft did you at that 559 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:07,700 time did you not see the the legs that 560 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:12,890 made the landing impressions no no I was 561 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:15,050 looking for landing impressions no no no 562 00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:19,490 the legs that made you know all I could 563 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:21,860 see was light underneath it a bright 564 00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,610 white light and and to me that didn't 565 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:26,960 look like there's no landing gear so 566 00:26:30,970 --> 00:26:28,850 what I would idea that I tried to push 567 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:30,980 it because I figured it could move but 568 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:32,990 it was solid it was solidly fixed to 569 00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:34,810 ground somehow through this technology 570 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:37,220 which later I figure out must be the 571 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:40,610 lighting this somehow this technology I 572 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:43,130 don't really understand that but there 573 00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:45,580 was no like traditional fixed 574 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,590 landing you're like I don't know yeah 575 00:26:53,230 --> 00:26:51,200 yeah okay well we're right I had our 576 00:26:55,810 --> 00:26:53,240 break so we're making a note here we'll 577 00:26:57,670 --> 00:26:55,820 be talking back we'll start right where 578 00:27:01,150 --> 00:26:57,680 we left off and for right now we're 579 00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:01,160 gonna go into a quick break so hang in 580 00:27:07,450 --> 00:27:03,080 everyone we'll be right back right and 581 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:07,460 just a minute okay we're still we're 582 00:27:11,770 --> 00:27:10,010 gonna be we're live on YouTube at this 583 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:11,780 at this point just let you know but we 584 00:27:18,850 --> 00:27:14,450 can continue we're going to continue the 585 00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:18,860 discussion but Gary since you're now you 586 00:27:23,950 --> 00:27:20,180 actually have a voice why don't you say 587 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:23,960 hi to our listeners hi everyone 588 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:28,010 all right just I knew this was gonna 589 00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:29,930 happen because as we before we got on it 590 00:27:36,190 --> 00:27:33,520 you having problems yeah do you want to 591 00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:36,200 tell the listener who you are and your 592 00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:37,340 involvement in this 593 00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:41,510 we got a woman my involvement I'm an 594 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:45,680 author of three books Jim called me up 595 00:27:52,690 --> 00:27:49,850 one day and he asked me to look at these 596 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:52,700 coordinates from the code now Sara got 597 00:28:01,450 --> 00:27:58,610 involved that was in 20 2010 my figures 598 00:28:06,850 --> 00:28:01,460 binning you would go into the 30th 599 00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:06,860 anniversary reunion at the at the 600 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:09,230 Woodbridge it's a conference at the time 601 00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:11,570 you asked me along that I couldn't make 602 00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:13,960 it because it was it's Christmas and 603 00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:17,960 then and then in January 2011 then you 604 00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:20,600 got in touch with me again and then you 605 00:28:23,290 --> 00:28:21,830 asked me to look at these seven 606 00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:23,300 coordinates and then you sent me to 607 00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:26,120 seven coolants on February the 3rd 2011 608 00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:29,780 and she starts me just asked me to look 609 00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:31,430 at them and give it my best shot to see 610 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:32,840 if there was any additional information 611 00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:35,330 I could find but the less air I got 612 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:36,950 involved I think Jim Connie touched me 613 00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,290 first because he knew that I was into 614 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:44,000 ancient symbolism 615 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:46,250 I was deciphering ancient codes that 616 00:28:54,580 --> 00:28:50,330 kind of thing free books I had out you 617 00:28:58,030 --> 00:28:54,590 know I was working on certain certain 618 00:28:59,020 --> 00:28:58,040 themes and he came up with the 23.5 619 00:29:01,540 --> 00:28:59,030 because that's 620 00:29:04,450 --> 00:29:01,550 he put in his email to me and I asked 621 00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:04,460 him why did you title your email 23.5 he 622 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:07,070 said he had a dream about it and my work 623 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:09,050 my research work at the time was finding 624 00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:14,170 these at 23.5 angle reference is in pain 625 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:19,670 stints sourced through our history 626 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:21,050 mostly from the 17th century in 627 00:29:27,250 --> 00:29:24,140 paintings where the staffs or the swords 628 00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:27,260 that are at that angle and it's the 23.5 629 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:29,060 is of course the tilt angle of the earth 630 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:32,450 you have sub liquid sea angle so I found 631 00:29:36,430 --> 00:29:34,610 that there was this these references 632 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:36,440 made to the angle of 23.5 or they've 633 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:37,970 been encoded in all these different 634 00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:41,690 sources so when Jim semanas email he 635 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:43,910 said yeah I bet dream of our dreams 636 00:29:48,010 --> 00:29:46,550 about this and he's default it was 637 00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:48,020 temperatures on the planet 638 00:29:59,230 --> 00:29:52,910 it was the temperature and I said no 639 00:30:00,550 --> 00:29:59,240 it's it's the Earth's two angle then he 640 00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:00,560 said we'll just have a look at these 641 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:02,750 coordinates see where you can find them 642 00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:07,250 and after the first few weeks of looking 643 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:09,620 at it I found something that I thought 644 00:30:16,210 --> 00:30:12,890 well Jim must be yanking my chain eeeh 645 00:30:18,010 --> 00:30:16,220 you know I say I didn't I didn't really 646 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:18,020 trust him at the time because I was 647 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:19,730 quite skeptical about all this you know 648 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,170 I've been following that I've been 649 00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,320 following the case off on and off over 650 00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:26,720 the years but I didn't know what to make 651 00:30:30,970 --> 00:30:28,820 of these were of the binary code I 652 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:30,980 didn't know what to make it out but I 653 00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:34,970 started finding things and it just went 654 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:37,220 from there and I know I looked into it 655 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:40,010 and I started investigating I start I 656 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:44,630 was talking to my Colfer about it and it 657 00:30:48,820 --> 00:30:47,090 looked like what was coming out of the 658 00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:48,830 seven coordinates was something that Jim 659 00:30:55,150 --> 00:30:52,340 could not have devised himself I just 660 00:30:57,550 --> 00:30:55,160 knew it Wow just good Jim we're ready to 661 00:31:00,550 --> 00:30:57,560 jump back aren't we race we're ready to 662 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:00,560 go Martin okay we're ready here - okay 663 00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:04,510 gentlemen stand by I will count you down 664 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:09,350 all right here we go mr. Willis in five 665 00:31:16,690 --> 00:31:15,049 or three - all right welcome back I have 666 00:31:20,529 --> 00:31:16,700 two guests this evening Jim Penniston 667 00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:20,539 and Gary Osbourne and Gary does have 668 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:22,429 sound now he was talking to us during 669 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:25,610 the break and we're going to jump right 670 00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:30,110 back though with Jim and we haven't had 671 00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:35,840 some background someone doing dishes in 672 00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:39,100 the background from one of your places 673 00:31:47,169 --> 00:31:45,470 dishes crash or something anyway Jim you 674 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:47,179 were talking just before the break I 675 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:49,130 asked you if he looked below to see if 676 00:31:53,289 --> 00:31:51,890 you can see any you know legs you said 677 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:53,299 there was a bright light underneath so 678 00:31:57,970 --> 00:31:55,210 could you continue on from that point 679 00:32:00,010 --> 00:31:57,980 yeah sure 680 00:32:04,029 --> 00:32:00,020 with you what the craft apparently being 681 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:04,039 fixed somehow to the ground I started my 682 00:32:08,770 --> 00:32:06,110 examination that I have nothing else to 683 00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:08,780 do I didn't think I was having a common 684 00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:12,710 full communication with with the control 685 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:13,220 center 686 00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:15,770 but I kept transmitting anywhere and 687 00:32:23,890 --> 00:32:19,400 periodically until we get response 688 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:23,900 forces out there and I started 360 689 00:32:30,190 --> 00:32:26,809 around it and you know I start taking 690 00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:30,200 notes I looked at things that that I 691 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:32,270 thought were pertinent I was looking for 692 00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:36,289 things that aircraft have and it was 693 00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:42,740 obvious this was void of them it had no 694 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:44,030 crew compartments 695 00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:47,510 it had no rivet iani on the craft itself 696 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:50,630 it had no lion a year that I could see 697 00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:54,650 he had no intakes it had no exhaust it 698 00:33:02,260 --> 00:32:58,070 had no flaps all the things that make 699 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:02,270 airplanes fly it did not have so yeah my 700 00:33:07,899 --> 00:33:05,690 curiosity was was was heightened so I 701 00:33:10,539 --> 00:33:07,909 started feeling a lot better I had mixed 702 00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:10,549 emotions on it from being scared to 703 00:33:21,130 --> 00:33:17,980 death to the just to be in awe and I 704 00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:21,140 started so I continued doing my 360 705 00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:22,430 walk-around 706 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:24,950 I paced off the craft it measured about 707 00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,570 nine feet long it's hard to tell is in 708 00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:32,240 between the berms I would say I was six 709 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:35,030 foot two that I guesstimated some are 710 00:33:41,380 --> 00:33:37,570 between six and a half seven feet high 711 00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,390 it had had a large dorsal fin type on it 712 00:33:46,170 --> 00:33:44,240 on the rear I guess the rear I'm not 713 00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:46,180 sure where the front was but I was 714 00:33:52,900 --> 00:33:51,230 acquitting to aircraft by knew it wasn't 715 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:52,910 in the genes book of a known aircraft 716 00:33:58,690 --> 00:33:55,850 that's obvious 717 00:34:00,850 --> 00:33:58,700 but as far as the design of it it would 718 00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:00,860 have been a flying brick I mean there's 719 00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:05,120 no way that thing could've flew and so I 720 00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:09,830 did the 368 as I walked around and then 721 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:13,040 I headed toward the front of it I keep 722 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:15,129 up there was an inscription on it 723 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:18,169 markings and I thought it relieved I 724 00:34:23,409 --> 00:34:20,450 felt you know maybe I'll say something 725 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:23,419 like you know Nassau yeah like I'm a 726 00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,730 sickle and you know I may miss Russia I 727 00:34:30,940 --> 00:34:27,919 don't know I knew the technology was 728 00:34:35,139 --> 00:34:30,950 advanced so I was just grabbing at 729 00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:35,149 straws of that plant and when I walked 730 00:34:38,530 --> 00:34:36,260 wrong yeah there was there's 731 00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:38,540 inscriptions on it but I'll say that 732 00:34:49,330 --> 00:34:45,919 they were of the the the pictorials were 733 00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:49,340 probably more like I would say similar 734 00:34:57,610 --> 00:34:52,340 to Egyptian or something like that 735 00:35:00,280 --> 00:34:57,620 design on but they I was that's the best 736 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:00,290 I could describe it the I felt that the 737 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:04,330 craft was smooth to touch it was warm 738 00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:07,090 were these the words these symbols were 739 00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:10,220 they measured them about the hand high 740 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:11,540 so they're about four or five inches 741 00:35:18,420 --> 00:35:14,690 high and they were about three feet long 742 00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:18,430 and the top side of it there was a 743 00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:23,060 circular one with a triangle and as I 744 00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:24,860 touched the bottom part of it from the 745 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:29,380 smooth craft to the to the actual 746 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:37,570 it went from very smooth to touch like 747 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:41,900 black glass to like I would say like a 748 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:48,650 sandpaper like it was engraved yeah yeah 749 00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:53,650 I was pretty mind-blowing blaming the I 750 00:36:01,480 --> 00:35:56,270 continued to make the 360 around I 751 00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:01,490 stopped they took notes I knew at this 752 00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:05,270 point in time that technology was was 753 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:07,700 unknown and it was advanced did you 754 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:09,290 happen to look up and see that that 755 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:10,970 where it came through the trees I know 756 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:12,530 there was some supposedly broken 757 00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:15,110 branches did you notice that then at 758 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:16,280 that point in time I tell you of my 759 00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:19,990 whole my whole train of thought my whole 760 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:22,400 fixation was on what was sitting in 761 00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:24,830 front of ya that was the only thing I 762 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:28,070 was looking at everything else was yeah 763 00:36:34,570 --> 00:36:32,000 yeah all I know is that we were sitting 764 00:36:36,370 --> 00:36:34,580 you know this is a large twin air force 765 00:36:38,770 --> 00:36:36,380 base it was the largest Tactical Fighter 766 00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:38,780 Wing in the free world of time and we 767 00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:40,940 had prior to a B and C resources there 768 00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:45,440 and I had to determine whether this was 769 00:36:54,220 --> 00:36:48,590 a threat to those resources or not and 770 00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:54,230 it was my main objective at this point 771 00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,520 how much time would you say that it had 772 00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:57,920 passed would you would you would you 773 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:01,280 remember well from what point to what 774 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:02,810 point that when you actually approached 775 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:05,690 the craft you said you went around 360 a 776 00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:10,250 couple of times on it at least one time 777 00:37:16,260 --> 00:37:12,980 around at first at that point it was 778 00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:16,270 only I don't know 779 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:19,070 not long three four minutes 780 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:25,130 Nawal I continued to do another 360 to 781 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:29,110 make notes I was more fast with the the 782 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:32,810 the pictorials that were on the side I 783 00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,010 got a hike when I cuts through those and 784 00:37:41,830 --> 00:37:40,160 they were fascinating and then they have 785 00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:41,840 the triangular when I was up there and 786 00:37:45,850 --> 00:37:43,310 that wasn't there stood out because it 787 00:37:46,930 --> 00:37:45,860 was larger and it was bigger and it was 788 00:37:50,529 --> 00:37:46,940 on top 789 00:37:56,500 --> 00:37:50,539 and my tops and when I did touch that it 790 00:37:58,890 --> 00:37:56,510 was a brilliant like white light and 791 00:38:03,270 --> 00:37:58,900 there's so why so bright I could not see 792 00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,280 anything else but this white light and 793 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:05,839 if during that time and then I started 794 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:07,730 seeking you know like flashes the ones 795 00:38:13,059 --> 00:38:09,650 and zeros and all this other stuff oh my 796 00:38:15,339 --> 00:38:13,069 god what the hell is this and then I 797 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:15,349 sort of gained my wits about me and I 798 00:38:21,279 --> 00:38:18,770 just took my hand off and immediately 799 00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:21,289 the light was gone and the craft is back 800 00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:25,369 in front of me and it was really other 801 00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:30,260 those totally odd of so many things is 802 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:33,500 my night vision was still there normally 803 00:38:38,020 --> 00:38:36,170 if you're out in and you have something 804 00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:38,030 that bright that you can't hit that make 805 00:38:42,730 --> 00:38:39,980 you squint and see you can't see nothing 806 00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:42,740 else your night vision IIFA said minimum 807 00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,270 probably wouldn't come back for 30 or 40 808 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:47,119 minutes but it never affected you so I 809 00:38:55,539 --> 00:38:51,200 knew at that point it wasn't light like 810 00:39:00,700 --> 00:38:55,549 that would affect your night vision what 811 00:39:06,309 --> 00:39:00,710 it was did not do that yeah you know it 812 00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:06,319 was like yeah it was perplexing I group 813 00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:08,900 walked back rounded and I started 814 00:39:15,490 --> 00:39:12,980 backing around inside the inn I didn't 815 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:15,500 talk about it when I came up to it but 816 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:18,410 there had been globular movement of 817 00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:20,450 different colored lights throughout the 818 00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:23,119 craft when I approached it but they had 819 00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:24,680 slowed down and that's when we had this 820 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:27,740 white intense light we're showing for 821 00:39:33,789 --> 00:39:30,250 him but if I started to see the light 822 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:33,799 come back this color coming back 823 00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:36,170 throughout the fabric of the path and 824 00:39:40,990 --> 00:39:38,569 when I seen that I got I wasn't sure 825 00:39:44,319 --> 00:39:41,000 what was gonna you know explode or maybe 826 00:39:46,329 --> 00:39:44,329 because I touched it I don't know and I 827 00:39:48,849 --> 00:39:46,339 saw I backed away from it and the 828 00:39:52,029 --> 00:39:48,859 movement of those globular was movements 829 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:52,039 of the light started getting faster and 830 00:40:00,520 --> 00:39:58,210 more brighter and more intense and then 831 00:40:02,740 --> 00:40:00,530 it's it's its star 832 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:02,750 to move to lift it up and started moving 833 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:05,330 and started moving back toward my name's 834 00:40:10,510 --> 00:40:08,030 15 feet so 20 feet through these trees 835 00:40:14,970 --> 00:40:10,520 which it can't not go through because 836 00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:14,980 it's too big to go through the trees and 837 00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:18,560 it stopped momentarily and then I went 838 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:22,700 up to the canopy of the forest made a 839 00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,910 slight right turn and it was gone in a 840 00:40:29,830 --> 00:40:27,680 blink of a line Wow 841 00:40:31,900 --> 00:40:29,840 did you actually see it move when it you 842 00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:31,910 say it's gone in a blink of an eye or or 843 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:33,700 did it looks more like it disappeared 844 00:40:39,340 --> 00:40:37,130 that's one thing I know at that point in 845 00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:39,350 time at that point in time I thought it 846 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:43,280 disappeared mm-hmm okay because I it 847 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:49,090 just was gone then I started did not die 848 00:40:56,170 --> 00:40:51,710 and the other thing it's really strange 849 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:56,180 to wind this craft lifted up beside the 850 00:41:00,220 --> 00:40:58,250 thing it had to have to happen it did 851 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:00,230 not happen it didn't have no air 852 00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:03,770 displacement okay I mean you get some 853 00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:05,300 kind of air displacement if something 854 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:06,980 was lifting off the ground you would see 855 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:10,190 nothing like that no sonic boom and so I 856 00:41:16,090 --> 00:41:12,110 did I figured just disappeared 857 00:41:17,770 --> 00:41:16,100 and then I her breaking the branches 858 00:41:20,500 --> 00:41:17,780 right behind me and it was the other 859 00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:20,510 Airmen that was living and he ran up and 860 00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:24,230 he's he's excited I mean really excited 861 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:31,280 I mean and he he reacquires the crap he 862 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:32,690 visually sees that down there and 863 00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:37,990 Donnell donford the cable green area and 864 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:41,150 and before I could eat there it is in 865 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:45,050 for I could say anything he took off and 866 00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:46,970 so here I am again I've got to maintain 867 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:52,940 team integrity so I go after him and I'm 868 00:41:57,610 --> 00:41:54,410 sort of running that good pace through 869 00:41:59,410 --> 00:41:57,620 there and we go back you know over the 870 00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:59,420 fences at a couple of sentences we had 871 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:02,000 to go over there's a farmer's field I 872 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:06,490 fell down in this water entrenched area 873 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:10,490 yeah and I and I finally yeah I guess 874 00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:12,440 maybe he got tired 875 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:16,760 we get to this far road and he stops and 876 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:19,970 Isis Isis I don't see it and he says 877 00:42:25,570 --> 00:42:23,210 yeah it's over there now is the opposite 878 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:25,580 direction where were even going and I go 879 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:28,190 over whatever and he's pointing to this 880 00:42:35,710 --> 00:42:31,550 this dim light when I says that's the 881 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:35,720 lighthouse and I'm like oh my god don't 882 00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:37,010 tell me I was wrong obviously for a 883 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:41,480 lighthouse and I could see over the wars 884 00:42:49,150 --> 00:42:43,970 to keep her green it was missionary over 885 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:49,160 the forest so that's what I figured out 886 00:42:53,410 --> 00:42:51,530 it only moved it didn't disappear and it 887 00:42:59,330 --> 00:42:53,420 only moved at a high rate of speed 888 00:43:03,090 --> 00:42:59,340 yes and I was getting ready to actually 889 00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,650 pursue it a little bit farther I get a 890 00:43:12,220 --> 00:43:07,760 lot background noise here yeah I'm 891 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:12,230 hearing it - yeah - pursue it a little 892 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:15,260 bit more and then it just shot off 893 00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:19,510 across the North Sea and that's when we 894 00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:23,150 both returned to sort of return back to 895 00:43:30,010 --> 00:43:27,710 the east gate wow wow that that is just 896 00:43:32,830 --> 00:43:30,020 you know I mean everyone I've heard you 897 00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:32,840 tell this story before but every time 898 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:37,280 you tell it it's it's really something I 899 00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:39,650 don't have a story yeah I know I've 900 00:43:45,250 --> 00:43:41,750 heard you tell the encounter before I 901 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:45,260 should say yes I can't no yes yes I've 902 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:47,090 heard you tell the encounter before and 903 00:43:51,700 --> 00:43:49,250 um I I understand that I didn't mean it 904 00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:51,710 in that type of way that it's okay Tommy 905 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:55,100 I mean if I was gonna do a story I would 906 00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:57,370 [Music] 907 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:01,760 I'm sure after all this time oh so now 908 00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:05,330 that you you just had this most amazing 909 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:09,140 experience how did you live with it even 910 00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:12,530 that night I mean when you got back to 911 00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:15,470 the base did you talk to people about it 912 00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:17,180 did you talk to your fellows that were 913 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:21,830 there well at a low we were exhausted 914 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:24,410 I mean adrenaline adrenaline has stopped 915 00:44:28,059 --> 00:44:25,369 let me or 916 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:28,069 winding down and as we're walking back 917 00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:31,249 the airmen whether he was now go where 918 00:44:34,989 --> 00:44:32,710 we gonna tell what we're gonna tell you 919 00:44:37,779 --> 00:44:34,999 we're not gonna tell him nothing 920 00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:37,789 I'm gonna do talking hmm what's the 921 00:44:46,450 --> 00:44:43,670 charge and so we get to the posting bus 922 00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:46,460 he he gets a ride back in a law 923 00:44:51,459 --> 00:44:48,950 forcement Patrol they go the other way 924 00:44:53,999 --> 00:44:51,469 to the babies I write back in the 925 00:44:56,529 --> 00:44:54,009 posting bus and on the posting bus I am 926 00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,539 looking at my notebook because I'm in 927 00:45:02,469 --> 00:44:58,640 disbelief - I mean how am I going to 928 00:45:05,229 --> 00:45:02,479 explain this my bike I'd done a couple 929 00:45:09,759 --> 00:45:05,239 more notes and stuff like that I had an 930 00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:09,769 airman sat beside me every chief that 931 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:12,049 Selena yeah Bernalillo that's it 932 00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:14,329 burb burb leone he says what are you 933 00:45:20,349 --> 00:45:17,630 doing I'm like I'm here zone you know 934 00:45:22,569 --> 00:45:20,359 from his standpoint you know if they had 935 00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:22,579 their own looked at they're adding to it 936 00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:25,670 to me nice that's just not going to talk 937 00:45:39,819 --> 00:45:34,400 about it I did got back to base I went 938 00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:39,829 to turn on my m16 I was told that oh I 939 00:45:47,769 --> 00:45:44,390 had my paperwork that was coming back on 940 00:45:51,069 --> 00:45:47,779 the bus I had written doubt the 941 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:51,079 information for the 1569 the incident in 942 00:45:54,459 --> 00:45:52,249 complaint report because they're gonna 943 00:45:55,870 --> 00:45:54,469 want to do a description oh yeah can I 944 00:45:56,469 --> 00:45:55,880 just say something here can I just say 945 00:45:59,739 --> 00:45:56,479 something yeah yeah 946 00:46:03,609 --> 00:45:59,749 jump in go ahead people have said to you 947 00:46:07,499 --> 00:46:03,619 know kind of criticized gym notebooks 948 00:46:09,969 --> 00:46:07,509 saying that you know he wrote down in 949 00:46:11,229 --> 00:46:09,979 you know he wrote the times down there 950 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:11,239 you would see it on a visual watch 951 00:46:16,539 --> 00:46:13,609 because that's what he was doing and he 952 00:46:20,229 --> 00:46:16,549 wasn't writing them down in the military 953 00:46:22,269 --> 00:46:20,239 form you know and but on the way back 954 00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,279 you did you and then you because you 955 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:23,599 knew you was going to be writing this 956 00:46:30,729 --> 00:46:26,960 into the Air Force document was it the 957 00:46:32,499 --> 00:46:30,739 one five six nine oh yeah 1569 but 958 00:46:34,359 --> 00:46:32,509 that's a military report I was doing out 959 00:46:35,890 --> 00:46:34,369 that's why yeah but when he was on the 960 00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:35,900 bat he was actually writing it down in 961 00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:38,760 the military notation the times you know 962 00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:41,300 but therefore the report I would yeah 963 00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,440 yeah yeah I'm sad through that myself I 964 00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:49,680 saw I mean skeptics have said that you 965 00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,560 know in the notebook the times are 966 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:54,480 written down as you normally would write 967 00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:57,210 a sign down you know but it was been 968 00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:58,500 when he was going back on the bus that 969 00:47:03,859 --> 00:47:01,140 you wrote the times down in military 970 00:47:06,260 --> 00:47:03,869 notation well maybe what the skeptics 971 00:47:11,570 --> 00:47:06,270 should do is ask me about it to talk to 972 00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:11,580 me about it yeah sure so so Jim what 973 00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:16,460 about the camera in the pictures okay 974 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:20,250 well when I got the CSC I mean the 975 00:47:28,670 --> 00:47:26,130 priority was she they told me that the 976 00:47:29,540 --> 00:47:28,680 oh I wasn't about 1569 let me finish 977 00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,550 that part out 978 00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:31,380 all right so I had the information fifty 979 00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:32,550 sixty nine I'm gonna tell you what 980 00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:34,470 sergeant Dave coffee he's a great it was 981 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:38,880 a great security policemen job when I 982 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:41,010 went and I said I got stuff for the 1516 983 00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:43,410 says already wrote it he said I heard 984 00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:45,600 everything that radio I saw you could 985 00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,300 hear he goes yeah he said oh I was like 986 00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:50,460 oh okay great and so he gave me the copy 987 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:52,590 the 1569 so I'll read it and see what's 988 00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:54,930 right I read through it and times right 989 00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,060 everything was going perfectly a message 990 00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,240 good job Dave nice is there we go so I 991 00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:02,640 never haven't given my notes anyway and 992 00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:04,950 he then he said a certain challenge so 993 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:07,920 well you need to see the day shift 994 00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:12,690 commander uh captain bromme and give 995 00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:18,300 them a quick report on this is okay so 996 00:48:22,340 --> 00:48:20,040 when I went back out that's what I ran 997 00:48:24,109 --> 00:48:22,350 into Aaron burrows and I totally come 998 00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:24,119 along because when I said I will be 999 00:48:31,310 --> 00:48:26,910 doing all the talking and that's what 1000 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:31,320 sergeants do and we went from a cab 1001 00:48:45,890 --> 00:48:36,290 around like I gave him a Vickery 1002 00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,900 sanitized report of it and I you know I 1003 00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:48,240 did see something mechanical other and 1004 00:48:55,060 --> 00:48:51,020 all that but I kept it sanitized 1005 00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:55,070 for my career I I didn't use the word 1006 00:49:01,780 --> 00:48:57,470 UFO because that is the curse of death 1007 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:01,790 in the Air Force music I like coined a 1008 00:49:08,170 --> 00:49:02,950 phrase 1009 00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:08,180 hemorrhoids call crap-ton or origin that 1010 00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:10,040 was the most accurate description I 1011 00:49:17,050 --> 00:49:14,350 could call it without without and 1012 00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:17,060 captain Brownlow was just happiness this 1013 00:49:22,450 --> 00:49:18,790 pencil there he says I'll tell you what 1014 00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:22,460 gentleman he says project Bluebook ended 1015 00:49:28,780 --> 00:49:25,790 in 69 there's no way to top channel this 1016 00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:28,790 to report this he says the best thing to 1017 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:33,580 do is just go home enjoy your break and 1018 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:39,290 will it go like that well okay well that 1019 00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:41,930 ready to leave and I still had the film 1020 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:44,420 would be so we ran by the I ran way in 1021 00:49:51,820 --> 00:49:47,330 my POV I ran by the base little guy 1022 00:49:53,859 --> 00:49:51,830 dropped it off the airman with me wanted 1023 00:49:56,349 --> 00:49:53,869 to go back out to the landing site and 1024 00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:56,359 he says because of the gale I actually 1025 00:49:59,770 --> 00:49:58,400 was a good idea I said yeah I'd be 1026 00:50:03,070 --> 00:49:59,780 probably a good idea to see in the 1027 00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,080 daylight and so we went on out there and 1028 00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:05,119 we're looking around the area where they 1029 00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:08,470 were the actual landing took place and 1030 00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:11,030 he was hollering at me says over here 1031 00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,140 over here and I went about 50 feet 1032 00:50:17,859 --> 00:50:17,359 that's when we've seen the intentions on 1033 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:17,869 the ground 1034 00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:21,650 yeah father and I said okay yeah this is 1035 00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:27,950 where was that so then I said that was 1036 00:50:36,099 --> 00:50:32,840 enough for me and I says go back and we 1037 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:36,109 left there and going back to the I gave 1038 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:42,250 him a ride back the Ipswich and he 1039 00:50:49,690 --> 00:50:44,690 stopped at my house for a little bit and 1040 00:50:49,990 --> 00:50:49,700 embarrass me to death and yeah what he 1041 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:50,000 said 1042 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:52,010 you know let me tell you yeah we get 1043 00:50:54,940 --> 00:50:53,570 there we we look really bad we were all 1044 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:54,950 muddy and everything else another 1045 00:51:02,080 --> 00:50:57,170 terrible thing and it was just even 1046 00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:02,090 later in the day good morning and at my 1047 00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:03,440 house I have a 1048 00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:05,780 I let a room out to certain Kennedy he 1049 00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:08,150 had a room there and personally my wife 1050 00:51:12,279 --> 00:51:11,180 at the time sir and then says you guys 1051 00:51:14,289 --> 00:51:12,289 look terrible 1052 00:51:17,049 --> 00:51:14,299 mark Kennedy was saying I say out there 1053 00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:17,059 we had a hell of a night and because in 1054 00:51:22,029 --> 00:51:19,089 Barroso yeah we see we're seeing UFOs 1055 00:51:23,799 --> 00:51:22,039 and all they they just look like any 1056 00:51:28,270 --> 00:51:23,809 notes that would do and they just 1057 00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:28,280 started laughing now okay this is good I 1058 00:51:37,299 --> 00:51:34,520 gonna go home and tell you guys think 1059 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:37,309 it's fine I says I'm not good to tell 1060 00:51:41,740 --> 00:51:38,569 you anything about it again I'm like I 1061 00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:41,750 said okay and the place was bothered is 1062 00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:44,150 that was a great time because at that 1063 00:51:52,690 --> 00:51:45,950 time I wasn't told I couldn't talk about 1064 00:51:54,910 --> 00:51:52,700 and they could have everything and was 1065 00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:54,920 and unfortunately you know I mean it was 1066 00:51:59,500 --> 00:51:57,500 like a you know within the next 72 hours 1067 00:52:02,079 --> 00:51:59,510 it was going to be classified top secret 1068 00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:02,089 but you're treated as a top secret and I 1069 00:52:12,279 --> 00:52:10,089 that's this all this is covered in such 1070 00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:12,289 detailed in the rims from the video boa 1071 00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,760 book yeah 1072 00:52:19,150 --> 00:52:15,920 and that's what I wanted to make sure to 1073 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:19,160 happen well we're going to break here in 1074 00:52:22,930 --> 00:52:19,970 just one minute 1075 00:52:24,970 --> 00:52:22,940 but up can you just finish as far as the 1076 00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:24,980 film goes you you drop that off to get 1077 00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:28,640 developed and but when I would return to 1078 00:52:34,839 --> 00:52:31,369 work on the Monday I stopped by the base 1079 00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:34,849 mobile app and I mean of course I open 1080 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:36,880 them up and they were all whited out and 1081 00:52:42,279 --> 00:52:40,490 as I look through them and so they're 1082 00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:42,289 pretty much worthless I thought was 1083 00:52:46,809 --> 00:52:44,089 expecting them to have the photographs 1084 00:52:49,299 --> 00:52:46,819 and they were not there I mean I looked 1085 00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:49,309 through them all I do think that the 1086 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:51,529 images just didn't come out or do think 1087 00:52:55,029 --> 00:52:52,970 that something was done to them 1088 00:52:59,289 --> 00:52:55,039 originally I thought something was done 1089 00:53:03,309 --> 00:52:59,299 to and I have discussed for the distrust 1090 00:53:05,529 --> 00:53:03,319 of the efforts at that time and I find 1091 00:53:07,029 --> 00:53:05,539 out later on mineral Nevel sergeant 1092 00:53:09,789 --> 00:53:07,039 nevels who went out on the third night 1093 00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:09,799 had his own camera and developed his own 1094 00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:12,260 film had the same problem happened 1095 00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:15,020 they were whited out to but 1096 00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,500 but the his evaluation level was there 1097 00:53:23,230 --> 00:53:21,200 was due to radiation oh I see that's 1098 00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:23,240 very yeah very possible all right well 1099 00:53:27,970 --> 00:53:24,710 right at the break so we're gonna head 1100 00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:27,980 into the break here and hang in everyone 1101 00:53:32,170 --> 00:53:29,960 we'll be back with our guests 1102 00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:32,180 Gary Osborne and Jim Penniston right 1103 00:53:38,230 --> 00:53:34,420 after these messages are we were right 1104 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:38,240 in the middle of talking and discussing 1105 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:42,770 this amazing case and I asked Jim about 1106 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:45,050 his film whether it had developed he 1107 00:53:49,690 --> 00:53:47,450 said it was all white it possibly was 1108 00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:49,700 radiation that was causing this I mean 1109 00:53:53,380 --> 00:53:52,070 that is that is a very plausible answer 1110 00:53:55,780 --> 00:53:53,390 wouldn't you say Jim and when you think 1111 00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:55,790 about it well we know for a fact that's 1112 00:54:00,100 --> 00:53:57,890 what it was I'll tell you why 1113 00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:00,110 Monroe nevels was a disaster 1114 00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:02,030 preparedness guy that was sent out the 1115 00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:06,740 following morning to verify from the 1116 00:54:10,690 --> 00:54:08,300 base commander everything happened on 1117 00:54:14,830 --> 00:54:10,700 the first night so that's that's 1118 00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:14,840 actually that's actually how the third 1119 00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:17,150 night came about by the way but anyway 1120 00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:21,680 it was so mineral nevels I the the 1121 00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:23,960 radiation is only on the landing site 1122 00:54:29,770 --> 00:54:26,960 where the craft actually was anything on 1123 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:29,780 the off the peripheral of that there was 1124 00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:32,330 no radiation it was zero it was the only 1125 00:54:37,540 --> 00:54:34,040 this is according to Monroe nevels or 1126 00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:37,550 not County he was an expert so that's 1127 00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:39,500 what he says the only part that were it 1128 00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,360 had the radiation was the extra craft 1129 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:44,240 and obviously the part that never made 1130 00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:46,910 sense to me with the pictures that were 1131 00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:49,310 whited out even though he said there was 1132 00:54:55,810 --> 00:54:52,940 radiation I was walking up to that craft 1133 00:54:59,800 --> 00:54:55,820 that was far enough away I figured those 1134 00:55:04,110 --> 00:54:59,810 pictures would actually be okay you know 1135 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:04,120 Wow the strikes what I was thinking and 1136 00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:06,770 but he had done the survey with the 1137 00:55:10,450 --> 00:55:08,750 equipment he says the radiation was so 1138 00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:10,460 good we went back over this he even told 1139 00:55:16,780 --> 00:55:13,040 me the kinds of radiation all those 1140 00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:16,790 other stuff but but he was instrumental 1141 00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,200 and writing the book and I really don't 1142 00:55:22,540 --> 00:55:20,240 want to say what happened with Monroe 1143 00:55:26,890 --> 00:55:22,550 because that's hearsay I'd rather have 1144 00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:26,900 him say his chapter in the book you know 1145 00:55:32,349 --> 00:55:28,550 because I wasn't there on the 1146 00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,359 third night so I'm not gonna try to talk 1147 00:55:38,349 --> 00:55:35,359 out of school on that you know mm-hmm 1148 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:38,359 so and you said you were real exhausted 1149 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:40,970 when you came back and did you actually 1150 00:55:49,870 --> 00:55:46,490 sleep okay and no I know I mean I was I 1151 00:55:54,450 --> 00:55:49,880 was hyped up went back out there to the 1152 00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:54,460 landing site later that morning they 1153 00:56:00,579 --> 00:55:58,400 took plaster Paris impressions almost 1154 00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:00,589 got caught with it coming back in with 1155 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:03,380 major jewelry and they want to know what 1156 00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:06,770 and captain Rallo and certain beliefs 1157 00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,510 reservist we didn't back out of here and 1158 00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:10,400 I was like I just wanted to see in the 1159 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:12,230 daylight and they said you need to go 1160 00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:14,330 home and let let us worry about it 1161 00:56:20,109 --> 00:56:17,540 that's what he said and so I did do that 1162 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:20,119 got back home no way was I going to go 1163 00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:23,050 to sleep it was just - I was just too 1164 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:26,390 traumatized at that point from it 1165 00:56:34,810 --> 00:56:30,530 I mean later that night 1166 00:56:36,660 --> 00:56:34,820 that that day I did try to get sleep I 1167 00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:36,670 mean I mean lay down for an hour or so 1168 00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:40,400 south to back down and hop it back down 1169 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:42,400 it was terrible 1170 00:56:46,690 --> 00:56:45,170 now did you know anyone off off the base 1171 00:56:50,170 --> 00:56:46,700 and talked about this before they told 1172 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:50,180 you no not to talk about it no why would 1173 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:50,690 I do that 1174 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:52,730 no I mean like family to me I would you 1175 00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:54,770 know I mean myself I want to talk to 1176 00:57:03,940 --> 00:56:58,940 family no you don't know because there's 1177 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:03,950 a classified you know if something 1178 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:06,410 happens in the military in operation 1179 00:57:11,470 --> 00:57:08,810 wish I was doing you're gonna sit there 1180 00:57:14,770 --> 00:57:11,480 and tell people back home what was going 1181 00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:14,780 on on a situation a security situation 1182 00:57:18,490 --> 00:57:17,990 on a basis that's a minimum for official 1183 00:57:20,050 --> 00:57:18,500 use only 1184 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:20,060 you don't tell civilians that kind of 1185 00:57:24,660 --> 00:57:23,330 stuff yeah I know this I mentioned that 1186 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:24,670 only because it was such a bizarre 1187 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:27,770 situation and but I didn't I wasn't 1188 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:29,330 thinking about the security part of it I 1189 00:57:35,230 --> 00:57:33,010 understand yeah it just it just wasn't 1190 00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:35,240 no you don't do that kind of stuff I 1191 00:57:38,890 --> 00:57:37,070 mean people that do that kind of stuff 1192 00:57:40,940 --> 00:57:38,900 for probably people who don't know 1193 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:40,950 what's going on yeah I mean 1194 00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:42,450 yeah or they should be the military 1195 00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:46,830 right yep yeah I bet you're glad I'm not 1196 00:57:52,610 --> 00:57:51,000 in the military no it's a great way of 1197 00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,620 life I mean you know I'll tell you what 1198 00:57:57,350 --> 00:57:55,380 you know you're the you're the Stewart's 1199 00:57:59,600 --> 00:57:57,360 of the tax dollar man I mean and then 1200 00:58:01,550 --> 00:57:59,610 you do the best job you can you do that 1201 00:58:05,540 --> 00:58:01,560 yeah that's what we're getting paid for 1202 00:58:08,210 --> 00:58:05,550 over there yeah you know so um how many 1203 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:08,220 now let's see time goes on and then you 1204 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:10,250 know Charles halt has his encounter 1205 00:58:17,590 --> 00:58:13,890 later did you actually hear about that 1206 00:58:20,570 --> 00:58:17,600 happening at the time it happened well 1207 00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:20,580 what do I know about the boy first 1208 00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:22,380 oh yes I do but I mean well we're gonna 1209 00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,510 go right back to that but I'm just 1210 00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:26,700 wondering did you ever hear when when 1211 00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:28,950 Charles actually had his encounter or 1212 00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:32,100 was that later when I went back to work 1213 00:58:36,050 --> 00:58:34,200 and well I know Sunday night I got a 1214 00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,060 call from earlier room that I was 1215 00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:38,640 supposed to from siren Hudson that I 1216 00:58:43,310 --> 00:58:40,740 have a meeting with on-site at throw 1217 00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:43,320 aside building Monday morning and I got 1218 00:58:51,350 --> 00:58:49,110 a then after that I have to go see 1219 00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:51,360 Colonel Hall hmm 1220 00:58:59,390 --> 00:58:55,980 yeah so I said okay so you know I forget 1221 00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,400 down with OSI when we went up to see the 1222 00:59:06,050 --> 00:59:02,480 base commander's office Colonel Hall 1223 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:06,060 that's when he played his tape told me 1224 00:59:11,930 --> 00:59:09,330 he had a experience oh wow I went and I 1225 00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:11,940 felt oh okay great it's off my shoulders 1226 00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:16,160 yeah he's a PL ranks name that's cool 1227 00:59:22,310 --> 00:59:19,110 yeah yeah all right so let's let's do 1228 00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,320 talk about what happened with the binary 1229 00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,180 well when I finally could get to sleep 1230 00:59:30,350 --> 00:59:26,400 that night and was wasn't very long I 1231 00:59:33,010 --> 00:59:30,360 mean I I was really concerned I was 1232 00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:33,020 concerned that I was actually having a 1233 00:59:37,490 --> 00:59:34,710 loser tonight 1234 00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:37,500 the trauma was the table I kept seeing 1235 00:59:41,300 --> 00:59:39,240 these ones and zeros and was like how 1236 00:59:43,790 --> 00:59:41,310 did this is not normal this is really 1237 00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:43,800 screwed up why a my wife's it's the only 1238 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:47,280 thing I'm saying and so I got up and I 1239 00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:50,010 wasn't gonna sleep anyway so what time 1240 00:59:56,959 --> 00:59:53,400 it was I was late at night and 1241 00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,969 I mean a pot of coffee because I wasn't 1242 01:00:01,870 --> 00:59:58,319 gonna go to sleep anyway 1243 01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:01,880 and I sat down I was at the dining table 1244 01:00:08,059 --> 01:00:05,249 I started doubting stuff because my mind 1245 01:00:09,859 --> 01:00:08,069 was just the guys this is trauma so I 1246 01:00:11,930 --> 01:00:09,869 whatever got my notebook 1247 01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:11,940 and I started looking at the other stuff 1248 01:00:18,529 --> 01:00:13,559 had written down earlier you know like 1249 01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:18,539 the descriptions the drawings stuff like 1250 01:00:29,269 --> 01:00:26,940 that my notes and Endeavor man you know 1251 01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:29,279 as i sat there i could close my eyes and 1252 01:00:37,249 --> 01:00:32,249 like a CDS you know - I could see these 1253 01:00:38,359 --> 01:00:37,259 ones and zeros I mean clearly and I said 1254 01:00:42,859 --> 01:00:38,369 you know I think I could write those 1255 01:00:45,529 --> 01:00:42,869 down you know yeah and I'm not sure 1256 01:00:47,329 --> 01:00:45,539 white wine - right but anyway I started 1257 01:00:51,709 --> 01:00:47,339 writing and Dom but after just the first 1258 01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:51,719 fused first couple lines of writing it 1259 01:00:59,299 --> 01:00:54,960 down which I could do quite easily if I 1260 01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,309 felt better and as I felt better the 1261 01:01:04,279 --> 01:01:01,680 more I wrote I just kept going in it 1262 01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:04,289 matter of fact it got to the point I was 1263 01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:06,150 running I mean how pens are and it 1264 01:01:10,219 --> 01:01:06,809 always worked 1265 01:01:12,739 --> 01:01:10,229 he went in stopped working and like I'm 1266 01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:12,749 over to the desk where I have the drawer 1267 01:01:18,759 --> 01:01:14,430 full of pen so I'm looking for a pen at 1268 01:01:20,989 --> 01:01:18,769 work so that was panicking and so I 1269 01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:20,999 still went back and I fact got want to 1270 01:01:26,779 --> 01:01:23,190 work I started finishing I wrote as long 1271 01:01:28,579 --> 01:01:26,789 as I could and went until I couldn't see 1272 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:28,589 these ones zeros any more than that and 1273 01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,170 all sudden there was no compulsion to 1274 01:01:35,059 --> 01:01:33,599 write I felt good and I was really 1275 01:01:38,809 --> 01:01:35,069 concerned at that point because I 1276 01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:38,819 thought I would I had to go to the base 1277 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:42,660 hospital up to at the clinic because you 1278 01:01:47,769 --> 01:01:44,130 know where do I tell them 1279 01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:47,779 I experienced a craft unknown origin and 1280 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:51,299 I went home I see ones and zeros you 1281 01:01:54,979 --> 01:01:53,609 know I couldn't get out of my oh yeah 1282 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:54,989 yeah Jim it's over 1283 01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,690 I mean we're gonna relieve you doing get 1284 01:02:01,849 --> 01:01:59,039 rid your security clearance pull your 1285 01:02:03,289 --> 01:02:01,859 weapon star and start discharging you 1286 01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:03,299 know papers that's what they would do 1287 01:02:08,260 --> 01:02:06,050 because I thought I actually 1288 01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:08,270 that the writing of these ones and zeros 1289 01:02:12,850 --> 01:02:10,760 this is an important point I thought was 1290 01:02:18,130 --> 01:02:12,860 insanity me losing my mind 1291 01:02:20,770 --> 01:02:18,140 yeah and so ashamed of it and the very 1292 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:20,780 reason why they just stayed in the back 1293 01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:23,450 of my notebook for 30-some years that 1294 01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:24,950 was gonna be a question because you know 1295 01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:27,140 as you know um you probably know there's 1296 01:02:32,770 --> 01:02:30,230 a lot of people asking you know why did 1297 01:02:35,650 --> 01:02:32,780 you take so long to come out you know 1298 01:02:36,790 --> 01:02:35,660 with the binary part of this story you 1299 01:02:39,070 --> 01:02:36,800 know that's what you see a lot when 1300 01:02:41,050 --> 01:02:39,080 you're looking through you know reading 1301 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:41,060 reading on this case that's because they 1302 01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:44,570 never asked many questions the 1303 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:46,700 proclamations all I gotta do is ask me 1304 01:02:52,210 --> 01:02:49,850 yeah I would've told you but here's the 1305 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:52,220 part that I'll tell you what they the 1306 01:02:56,790 --> 01:02:54,290 biner still would be out it wasn't for 1307 01:02:59,650 --> 01:02:56,800 lendable and how and John Burroughs I 1308 01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:59,660 wouldn't I would never put it public 1309 01:03:07,570 --> 01:03:02,240 oh can you tell I have wasn't aware of 1310 01:03:08,590 --> 01:03:07,580 that part of it can you sure I had yeah 1311 01:03:11,290 --> 01:03:08,600 I've had John in the show he never 1312 01:03:13,540 --> 01:03:11,300 talked about that part yeah oh yeah well 1313 01:03:15,970 --> 01:03:13,550 we're doing so shootout in loan this is 1314 01:03:17,740 --> 01:03:15,980 this is why I contacted Gary that's how 1315 01:03:20,620 --> 01:03:17,750 this all came about and the other thing 1316 01:03:23,770 --> 01:03:20,630 is I didn't know Gary previously that 1317 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:23,780 was a mutual friend said this person who 1318 01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,210 can help me out that visit how started 1319 01:03:33,340 --> 01:03:28,400 but anyway I went to a film shoot in 1320 01:03:37,810 --> 01:03:33,350 2010 October 2nd down in Phoenix Arizona 1321 01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:37,820 and it was for ancient aliens we're 1322 01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:45,710 doing any aliens excuse me and there was 1323 01:03:51,490 --> 01:03:47,750 myself John Rawls and Linda Moulton Howe 1324 01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:51,500 and I had just been getting filmed and 1325 01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:53,600 at that time I think they had film 1326 01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:55,970 because they have to take a break change 1327 01:04:00,550 --> 01:03:58,130 film around and I'm sitting turn that 1328 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:00,560 and John he asked me a question he says 1329 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:04,730 about a deep owe some dignity I have a 1330 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:08,090 notebook and I had taken you know 1331 01:04:13,930 --> 01:04:10,610 slipping through it and I went back too 1332 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:13,940 far in a book it's passed by notes but I 1333 01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:15,770 went back too far and the ones zeros 1334 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:19,369 popped up and I mean they were like I 1335 01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:22,970 no they were like kids in a candy store 1336 01:04:25,509 --> 01:04:23,569 man 1337 01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:25,519 both of them they said you know what 1338 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:28,150 that equates it ways or ways that no oh 1339 01:04:33,339 --> 01:04:30,490 I'm thinking I gotta tell these people 1340 01:04:34,539 --> 01:04:33,349 about my mental breakdown yes this is 1341 01:04:38,349 --> 01:04:34,549 something I really want to talk about 1342 01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,359 that and I go okay I says this is what I 1343 01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:40,480 wrote down I says right at the incident 1344 01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:43,249 you know from impressions that night 1345 01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:47,109 being out there and then Linda says oh 1346 01:04:54,819 --> 01:04:51,049 that's binary code and the light bulb 1347 01:04:57,700 --> 01:04:54,829 goes on they look binary code and yeah 1348 01:05:01,690 --> 01:04:57,710 and she had done it we had done the 1349 01:05:03,069 --> 01:05:01,700 interview 15 years earlier maybe in 1996 1350 01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,079 or something like that after I was out 1351 01:05:09,549 --> 01:05:05,839 and I couldn't talk about this incident 1352 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:09,559 before 1993 because it was I thought it 1353 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:11,210 was top secret until the Air Force said 1354 01:05:15,309 --> 01:05:14,690 nothing that happened somewhere I 1355 01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:15,319 retired 1356 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:18,529 but anyway with Linda we did this book 1357 01:05:24,009 --> 01:05:21,650 glimpses of other realities or something 1358 01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:24,019 like that in any way I stepped the 1359 01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,329 transcripts from my hypnosis session I 1360 01:05:30,999 --> 01:05:28,880 have 1994 because I wasn't sleeping good 1361 01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:31,009 at night I was only getting two three 1362 01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:34,130 hours sleep after I got out and I needed 1363 01:05:39,130 --> 01:05:36,529 something to help me with my sleep and 1364 01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:39,140 so I went into a psychiatrist and a 1365 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:41,089 medical doctor to start with she 1366 01:05:43,859 --> 01:05:42,650 referred to as a character assesses yeah 1367 01:05:46,479 --> 01:05:43,869 I'm okay with that 1368 01:05:49,989 --> 01:05:46,489 anyway they determined they want to do 1369 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:49,999 it hypnosis regression for obvious stuff 1370 01:05:56,380 --> 01:05:54,410 maybe like having being abused or 1371 01:05:59,200 --> 01:05:56,390 something as a child causes this or 1372 01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,210 whatever and so that's how that hypnosis 1373 01:06:04,059 --> 01:06:01,039 happened but anyway she got those 1374 01:06:07,210 --> 01:06:04,069 transcripts I gave to her and she 1375 01:06:09,579 --> 01:06:07,220 transcribed them and anyway the stuff 1376 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:09,589 that went into her book she mentions 1377 01:06:15,339 --> 01:06:12,890 that I could see binary code I'll put to 1378 01:06:17,620 --> 01:06:15,349 that point I mean no binary code was all 1379 01:06:23,019 --> 01:06:17,630 I recall it was ones and zeros of mine 1380 01:06:24,999 --> 01:06:23,029 in my insanity time and anyway they they 1381 01:06:28,359 --> 01:06:25,009 were so fascinated by it 1382 01:06:30,130 --> 01:06:28,369 and it made me curious too because the 1383 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:30,140 connectional to buy an echo so on a 1384 01:06:34,049 --> 01:06:31,930 strange I would be talking about 1385 01:06:37,739 --> 01:06:34,059 in hypnosis in 96 which I have no 1386 01:06:41,099 --> 01:06:37,749 conscious memory of and she wrenches 1387 01:06:42,450 --> 01:06:41,109 that's what that is and they said well 1388 01:06:44,759 --> 01:06:42,460 we wanted to we want to get that 1389 01:06:46,499 --> 01:06:44,769 translator you know the ain't she a Lea 1390 01:06:48,539 --> 01:06:46,509 instead of a so when you think about it 1391 01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:48,549 go back and think about it I don't know 1392 01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:50,319 if I want to have this stuff come out 1393 01:07:00,480 --> 01:06:53,680 and so I went back yeah back to Illinois 1394 01:07:03,870 --> 01:07:00,490 from Phoenix and anyway I talked to the 1395 01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:03,880 producer Kim Shara from Prometheus 1396 01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:06,670 productions and she said no he's just 1397 01:07:11,609 --> 01:07:09,849 five pages of it you know the first five 1398 01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:11,619 pages let's let's see yeah so it's gonna 1399 01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:14,529 be gibberish I'm pretty sure because you 1400 01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:16,630 know I'm going back to when I was right 1401 01:07:22,410 --> 01:07:20,380 now I was like this is like a losing 1402 01:07:23,759 --> 01:07:22,420 your mind type situation and then that's 1403 01:07:24,180 --> 01:07:23,769 good she thinks it's going to mean 1404 01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:24,190 something 1405 01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,880 yeah right and so I said okay so I 1406 01:07:34,769 --> 01:07:32,559 scanned him sent it off to her she had 1407 01:07:36,749 --> 01:07:34,779 somebody else gonna look at and of 1408 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:36,759 course Linda's calling me daily why 1409 01:07:45,289 --> 01:07:38,890 these pages to us yeah let me think 1410 01:07:51,089 --> 01:07:45,299 about anything about it and anyway I 1411 01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:51,099 waited like three four days but then I 1412 01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:52,809 sent them off the limb to the same five 1413 01:07:57,749 --> 01:07:56,079 pages and she said I got a guy in 1414 01:07:59,220 --> 01:07:57,759 Australia it's gonna look at this I have 1415 01:08:03,829 --> 01:07:59,230 something else in Silica's North 1416 01:08:06,839 --> 01:08:03,839 Carolina both verses it's okay okay and 1417 01:08:10,229 --> 01:08:06,849 anyway I get a call from Kim sure we do 1418 01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:10,239 a video chat we do the stuff and she 1419 01:08:15,749 --> 01:08:13,630 says it has a message 1420 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:15,759 let's just talk away I can have a 1421 01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:18,250 message that's when she went through it 1422 01:08:26,430 --> 01:08:23,020 with me and two days after that Linden 1423 01:08:28,499 --> 01:08:26,440 have caused me I'm very excited she says 1424 01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:28,509 it's got it's got a message this is okay 1425 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:31,060 wants to tell both messages yeah 1426 01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:33,250 verbatim she came back with the same 1427 01:08:41,129 --> 01:08:37,480 stuff and I said okay I says well that's 1428 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:41,139 confirmation I said so I said we had 1429 01:08:45,059 --> 01:08:42,250 independent you know 1430 01:08:45,450 --> 01:08:45,069 Prometheus already translated and she 1431 01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:45,460 goes 1432 01:08:51,330 --> 01:08:48,670 I know yeah this is so they both match 1433 01:08:53,850 --> 01:08:51,340 so two independent sources to start with 1434 01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:53,860 and we actually had more sources after 1435 01:08:59,310 --> 01:08:57,610 that but now can best house but today 1436 01:09:01,470 --> 01:08:59,320 that code would not be out it wasn't 1437 01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:01,480 close to I'll take that round off that's 1438 01:09:06,270 --> 01:09:02,830 something I never knew that part of the 1439 01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,280 story now can a listener asked this 1440 01:09:12,060 --> 01:09:08,560 question Palmer asked this question can 1441 01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:12,070 binary code be mean two different things 1442 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:14,380 or is it always interpreted as the same 1443 01:09:27,690 --> 01:09:25,570 thing okay neither of my instrument 1444 01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:27,700 delivery man I think that's not make 1445 01:09:32,130 --> 01:09:30,880 sense yeah yeah yeah okay I don't know 1446 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:32,140 that's a good question but you should 1447 01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:33,730 talk to a binary person yeah a 1448 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:37,690 mathematician yeah or computer scientist 1449 01:09:44,580 --> 01:09:42,610 yeah ya know one thing that we kind of 1450 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:44,590 kind of I would kind of like to touch on 1451 01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:47,170 because of when I had a truck hauled on 1452 01:09:54,570 --> 01:09:50,920 a few times he said that the debriefings 1453 01:09:58,020 --> 01:09:54,580 were awful they were horrible there was 1454 01:09:59,490 --> 01:09:58,030 drugs involved all kinds of stuff what 1455 01:10:08,390 --> 01:09:59,500 do you say what do you remember about 1456 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:08,400 the debriefing what I remember yes they 1457 01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:11,530 wouldn't like it wasn't no aside people 1458 01:10:16,590 --> 01:10:14,710 anyway was that their building but there 1459 01:10:19,530 --> 01:10:16,600 was to the owners other people there 1460 01:10:20,580 --> 01:10:19,540 that I didn't know that I mean nothing 1461 01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:20,590 they could have been from London they 1462 01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,910 anyway they took my statement row for 1463 01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:28,960 page statement on handwritten on legal 1464 01:10:34,830 --> 01:10:31,840 paper tell them everything because they 1465 01:10:38,610 --> 01:10:34,840 told me you tell us everything this goes 1466 01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:38,620 away hmm exactly what I wanted to have 1467 01:10:45,810 --> 01:10:41,710 happen going that's sure so I told 1468 01:10:50,430 --> 01:10:45,820 everything everything and I gave it to 1469 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:50,440 him and they said Oh give us about 15 1470 01:10:54,060 --> 01:10:52,090 minutes we're gonna type it up oh okay 1471 01:10:56,459 --> 01:10:54,070 and then they gave me a coke and I sat 1472 01:10:58,140 --> 01:10:56,469 down and had a coke and 1473 01:11:00,450 --> 01:10:58,150 then they came back out and they have 1474 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:00,460 this little single line type thing it's 1475 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:04,210 all of this big and I use they said read 1476 01:11:08,430 --> 01:11:06,130 it and memorize it this is what we 1477 01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,440 didn't memorize this I read it it was 1478 01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:10,239 very generic it goes talked about a 1479 01:11:16,410 --> 01:11:14,140 generic court mechanical craft at a 1480 01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:16,420 distance never getting closer than 50 1481 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:20,290 meters ba ba ba ba I goes this is not 1482 01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:22,810 what I wrote and they go this is the 1483 01:11:26,580 --> 01:11:24,910 stay this is not active investigation 1484 01:11:28,260 --> 01:11:26,590 this is the statement you tell anybody 1485 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:28,270 that you talk to this is whatever you 1486 01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,010 tell hmm I said okay and it goes away so 1487 01:11:37,350 --> 01:11:35,440 I know I got this meeting with the 1488 01:11:41,970 --> 01:11:37,360 command element right after all aside I 1489 01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:41,980 got a I'm gonna tell this containment 1490 01:11:49,979 --> 01:11:45,780 story just started and that's what I did 1491 01:11:52,670 --> 01:11:49,989 and yeah and I did that I did get the 1492 01:11:59,040 --> 01:11:52,680 opportunity to talk to general Williams 1493 01:12:01,290 --> 01:11:59,050 in 2012 and maybe 14 a camera was and I 1494 01:12:04,260 --> 01:12:01,300 I totally says you know I'm really sorry 1495 01:12:09,090 --> 01:12:04,270 about giving that containment story I 1496 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:09,100 said is a lie it's not what happened and 1497 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:11,770 General William says to me he goes it's 1498 01:12:17,729 --> 01:12:13,890 okay Jim we all had to follow orders 1499 01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:17,739 this is okay and I felt so good to know 1500 01:12:23,670 --> 01:12:21,070 that general Williams was okay with it 1501 01:12:25,260 --> 01:12:23,680 and so white they got that little bit 1502 01:12:26,729 --> 01:12:25,270 off my chest I don't know if I'm ranting 1503 01:12:28,740 --> 01:12:26,739 with you but these are different things 1504 01:12:31,229 --> 01:12:28,750 that's happened no no this is all good 1505 01:12:33,150 --> 01:12:31,239 so the the story or the part that I've 1506 01:12:36,030 --> 01:12:33,160 heard before is that there were drugs 1507 01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:36,040 used during the debriefing do you know 1508 01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:38,680 anything about that in my hypnosis 1509 01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:41,890 it describes actually getting getting 1510 01:12:47,130 --> 01:12:45,310 the drugs yes really 1511 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:47,140 Wow but you don't we don't recall right 1512 01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:49,330 off the bat you're saying I don't I 1513 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:50,620 don't remember you don't remember that 1514 01:12:54,330 --> 01:12:51,610 part of it Wow 1515 01:12:57,390 --> 01:12:54,340 no what does the just say it and they 1516 01:13:02,070 --> 01:12:57,400 have noses well everything I'm talking 1517 01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:02,080 about is from what experienced this I 1518 01:13:08,340 --> 01:13:04,300 mean if it's from you have no sense I'll 1519 01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:08,350 tell you it's from the abuses I like the 1520 01:13:11,759 --> 01:13:09,369 part about mentioning 1521 01:13:13,859 --> 01:13:11,769 I can see binary code that was in their 1522 01:13:16,139 --> 01:13:13,869 business I don't remember them matter of 1523 01:13:18,089 --> 01:13:16,149 fact the hypnosis sessions I can now 1524 01:13:21,659 --> 01:13:18,099 have started as a hundred times to watch 1525 01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:21,669 it it's for I got four hours of tape two 1526 01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,169 sessions and I never could get more than 1527 01:13:32,189 --> 01:13:28,719 maybe I've been into it was too much 1528 01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:32,199 trauma for me it's painful it's just too 1529 01:13:36,810 --> 01:13:36,070 much and and God bless I if Gary's on 1530 01:13:41,219 --> 01:13:36,820 there 1531 01:13:42,689 --> 01:13:41,229 Gary and we're ready in this book he 1532 01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:42,699 says Jim you gotta you gotta confront 1533 01:13:47,429 --> 01:13:45,249 this no sighs I can't watch her Gary 1534 01:13:49,589 --> 01:13:47,439 says I'll tell you what I'll do he says 1535 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:49,599 I'll transcribe the whole thing oh well 1536 01:13:55,459 --> 01:13:53,050 what he did he transcribed the whole 1537 01:13:58,500 --> 01:13:55,469 thing that's four hours of this 1538 01:14:01,049 --> 01:13:58,510 interview and blood by by the way this 1539 01:14:02,729 --> 01:14:01,059 doctor just here's where I went to this 1540 01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:02,739 psychiatrist these people weren't you 1541 01:14:08,369 --> 01:14:05,169 apology people these were medical people 1542 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:08,379 okay and so this hypnosis session is 1543 01:14:11,339 --> 01:14:10,090 covered under HIPAA and all that that's 1544 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:11,349 why you don't see this stuff out 1545 01:14:15,869 --> 01:14:13,570 anywhere except the parts I release 1546 01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:15,879 which is like one minute of it I have 1547 01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:22,239 that's it and what was the rest of the 1548 01:14:30,679 --> 01:14:27,340 question was or no that's okay 1549 01:14:33,299 --> 01:14:30,689 no he I'm doing the same thing you are 1550 01:14:39,149 --> 01:14:33,309 it was it was about the debriefing but 1551 01:14:41,699 --> 01:14:39,159 also I can't remember that it was my 1552 01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:41,709 brother Larry talked about it in the in 1553 01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:45,840 the debriefing in the hypnosis I mean 1554 01:14:52,949 --> 01:14:50,829 and I clearly they use so soil and kind 1555 01:14:56,419 --> 01:14:52,959 of thought in fact that there's a 1556 01:15:01,649 --> 01:14:56,429 there's a film clip of it released in 1557 01:15:04,169 --> 01:15:01,659 the documentary in UFO invasion at 1558 01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:04,179 revolution or something like that 1559 01:15:12,589 --> 01:15:07,689 back in the 2004 that has that in there 1560 01:15:15,959 --> 01:15:12,599 and it's it's it's pretty nasty to watch 1561 01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:15,969 did you know I'm partners go ahead yes 1562 01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:16,510 go ahead 1563 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:20,169 good mark no did you also feel well did 1564 01:15:23,279 --> 01:15:22,449 was it revealed in your hypnosis did you 1565 01:15:26,459 --> 01:15:23,289 ever feel 1566 01:15:30,209 --> 01:15:26,469 like really physically threatened during 1567 01:15:33,029 --> 01:15:30,219 this the briefing do you know you know 1568 01:15:37,770 --> 01:15:33,039 if you talk about it you know know as 1569 01:15:41,180 --> 01:15:37,780 orders yes I'm use disorders I mean OSI 1570 01:15:43,470 --> 01:15:41,190 and overseas 1571 01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:43,480 they've all learned the Department of 1572 01:15:48,509 --> 01:15:45,070 State don't you work for anybody on the 1573 01:15:51,419 --> 01:15:48,519 base you know I mean they and when they 1574 01:15:53,850 --> 01:15:51,429 conducted an active investigation that 1575 01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:53,860 means that they're not accountable to 1576 01:15:57,810 --> 01:15:55,900 anybody it's active investigation and if 1577 01:15:59,729 --> 01:15:57,820 the wing commander doesn't even know or 1578 01:16:01,979 --> 01:15:59,739 anything they can do what they want 1579 01:16:04,850 --> 01:16:01,989 and but I'll tell you they were always 1580 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:04,860 calm they're always they were they were 1581 01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:07,690 respectful and far as would i memory 1582 01:16:15,750 --> 01:16:13,150 cost and no it's no we didn't work that 1583 01:16:17,819 --> 01:16:15,760 way why would they want threaten us 1584 01:16:19,859 --> 01:16:17,829 I mean that anybody tells you they got 1585 01:16:27,990 --> 01:16:19,869 Britain it's full of it yeah I don't 1586 01:16:31,229 --> 01:16:28,000 need a it's a way to work I I just heard 1587 01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,239 that you know from from Chuck halt 1588 01:16:36,180 --> 01:16:34,000 basically that the the briefing was 1589 01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:36,190 horrible and they were they were drugged 1590 01:16:43,259 --> 01:16:40,150 and you know follow with Chuck colonel 1591 01:16:46,620 --> 01:16:43,269 also yeah they were horrible because 1592 01:16:48,779 --> 01:16:46,630 they looked really bad instrumental they 1593 01:16:52,259 --> 01:16:48,789 do look it look bad and they have no 1594 01:16:56,100 --> 01:16:52,269 sasai seeing it yeah it looks bad yeah 1595 01:16:59,520 --> 01:16:56,110 yeah but the six are abusing like penis 1596 01:17:03,629 --> 01:16:59,530 or the leather straps which Tobler no no 1597 01:17:06,569 --> 01:17:03,639 no no no and don't it was always for the 1598 01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:06,579 prize the prize was if cooperation with 1599 01:17:12,330 --> 01:17:09,730 is this goes away and that's what that's 1600 01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:12,340 where all of us witnesses want it to go 1601 01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:15,280 away I see so much for that I mean that 1602 01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:19,210 was pie in the sky Gary I'm gonna bring 1603 01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:20,800 you in now because I want to I want to 1604 01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:23,199 talk about we just were pie no you left 1605 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:27,250 the the video of the computer there for 1606 01:17:30,859 --> 01:17:28,690 me now nor if you were listening but 1607 01:17:33,089 --> 01:17:30,869 we're talking about the binary code and 1608 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:33,099 this is the part where I want you to 1609 01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:35,010 talk about the work you've done on that 1610 01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:37,800 if you would can you am it yeah you're 1611 01:17:45,819 --> 01:17:39,210 gonna have to speak up alone because 1612 01:17:48,410 --> 01:17:45,829 you're not oh no you're not oh no yeah 1613 01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:48,420 sorry same because I missed a lot 1614 01:17:55,700 --> 01:17:52,980 watching sake okay no okay well let's 1615 01:17:56,899 --> 01:17:55,710 just talk about this and Gary kid can 1616 01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:56,909 now and you're gonna have to speak up 1617 01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:58,380 and get closer to the computer if you 1618 01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:02,159 would please can you can you discuss the 1619 01:18:05,390 --> 01:18:03,900 work that you have been doing on the 1620 01:18:16,669 --> 01:18:05,400 binary code that's what I want to know 1621 01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:16,679 about right now yeah Jim contacted me 1622 01:18:22,399 --> 01:18:19,650 because we both had a mutual friend at 1623 01:18:26,779 --> 01:18:22,409 the time who knew of March she knew of 1624 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:26,789 my work and when Jim told her about his 1625 01:18:32,899 --> 01:18:30,090 dream she said why don't you contact 1626 01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:32,909 Gary Osbourne because he's been working 1627 01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:37,199 on this as his research work and he got 1628 01:18:41,209 --> 01:18:39,510 in contact with me just before the 30th 1629 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:41,219 anniversary of the Rendlesham incident 1630 01:18:48,859 --> 01:18:43,530 which it was a conference at the 1631 01:18:50,180 --> 01:18:48,869 Woodbridge Hall I think and Jim he said 1632 01:18:52,700 --> 01:18:50,190 why don't you come down and let's have a 1633 01:18:57,200 --> 01:18:52,710 chat so I couldn't make anyway because 1634 01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:57,210 it's Christmas anyway 1635 01:19:06,109 --> 01:19:01,739 called sorry send me an email in January 1636 01:19:10,220 --> 01:19:06,119 2011 and he asked me if I could look at 1637 01:19:14,629 --> 01:19:10,230 some binary code code you know he had 1638 01:19:20,779 --> 01:19:14,639 received on the night and I didn't know 1639 01:19:23,259 --> 01:19:20,789 what you talked about at the time we're 1640 01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:23,269 all listening yes 1641 01:19:32,930 --> 01:19:28,130 we're all listening can you hear me yeah 1642 01:19:39,799 --> 01:19:32,940 so you know I was kind of intrigued by 1643 01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:39,809 this and he said and he said that's for 1644 01:19:44,660 --> 01:19:41,489 now on ancient aliens and I looked at 1645 01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:44,670 the video and he said I'm gonna send you 1646 01:19:48,530 --> 01:19:47,130 another six sets of coordinates it's 1647 01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:48,540 been deciphered and he said 1648 01:19:53,350 --> 01:19:51,630 just look worries all seven and see if 1649 01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:53,360 there's any additional information there 1650 01:19:59,720 --> 01:19:56,940 just give me your best shot so he sent 1651 01:20:04,030 --> 01:19:59,730 me the 770 remaining six movements on 1652 01:20:08,350 --> 01:20:04,040 the 3rd of February 2011 and then I 1653 01:20:12,980 --> 01:20:08,360 googled earth to plot the coordinates 1654 01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:12,990 family reorder these are some sites or 1655 01:20:20,270 --> 01:20:18,510 sites of interest and I was more 1656 01:20:25,010 --> 01:20:20,280 intrigued by this but then I wanted to 1657 01:20:27,260 --> 01:20:25,020 see how they all looked to being that 1658 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:27,270 projection of the earth I wanted to see 1659 01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:29,610 them all together and of course what he 1660 01:20:36,770 --> 01:20:33,330 told me about his dream which led to me 1661 01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:36,780 getting involved I used that as my 1662 01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:39,300 approach to this cipher whatever 1663 01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:41,690 additional information was there and 1664 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:47,970 started finding data cleverly cleverly 1665 01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:51,210 encoded using these coordinates so the 1666 01:20:56,150 --> 01:20:52,710 coordinates as seven sets of coordinates 1667 01:20:57,980 --> 01:20:56,160 are coding themselves in you know as 1668 01:21:03,860 --> 01:20:57,990 part of the message but they are a code 1669 01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:03,870 and it was by just viewing them all 1670 01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:06,000 together and to be in that position of 1671 01:21:10,820 --> 01:21:09,210 the earth which is what I know I was 1672 01:21:13,790 --> 01:21:10,830 supposed to do or anyone who's this 1673 01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:13,800 weapons that's posted it and then the 1674 01:21:17,900 --> 01:21:16,050 information just flooded out and this 1675 01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:17,910 was like in the first three months of 1676 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:20,910 receiving the coordinates I think a lot 1677 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:23,370 of the initial information came around 1678 01:21:30,710 --> 01:21:26,610 in those few months that I was working 1679 01:21:34,490 --> 01:21:30,720 on it and then I kept finding other 1680 01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:34,500 things and I got to the point where you 1681 01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:37,520 know our fortune could not revise this 1682 01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:41,670 himself he just wouldn't after knowing 1683 01:21:51,460 --> 01:21:44,400 him for some time so I just wouldn't 1684 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:54,080 live and breathe the stuff that I'd been 1685 01:21:59,000 --> 01:21:55,770 researching for years in fact I think 1686 01:22:00,710 --> 01:21:59,010 that but how I became an author was 1687 01:22:01,910 --> 01:22:00,720 because of an experience I had in 93 1688 01:22:03,979 --> 01:22:01,920 that's what led me on 1689 01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:03,989 and the third girl was doing into this 1690 01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:07,050 experience I am and I think that all the 1691 01:22:11,870 --> 01:22:08,489 research I was doing and which led to 1692 01:22:13,250 --> 01:22:11,880 free books that I co-authored if there 1693 01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:13,260 is because people wanted to write with 1694 01:22:17,780 --> 01:22:16,380 me because of the stuff I was working it 1695 01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:17,790 kind of played into what they will 1696 01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:21,360 research in and and I think all this was 1697 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:28,729 as I said I've been working it's been 1698 01:22:32,780 --> 01:22:30,810 eight years and there's enough 1699 01:22:34,910 --> 01:22:32,790 information has come out of just those 1700 01:22:38,930 --> 01:22:34,920 seven coordinates and could feel free in 1701 01:22:42,140 --> 01:22:38,940 volumes so we're working on this first 1702 01:22:45,620 --> 01:22:42,150 book sorry mine 1703 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:45,630 I said amazing it is amazing it really 1704 01:22:52,669 --> 01:22:51,090 is people just don't have any idea the 1705 01:22:55,270 --> 01:22:52,679 kind of information has been coming out 1706 01:22:59,360 --> 01:22:55,280 because it's all about ancient knowledge 1707 01:23:02,479 --> 01:22:59,370 and it seems like it's giving away 1708 01:23:04,729 --> 01:23:02,489 certain secrets that have been probably 1709 01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:04,739 known by an elite for probably hundreds 1710 01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:06,900 of thousands of years because it goes 1711 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:13,440 back to ancient Egypt and anyway as I 1712 01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:17,370 said this codes been it's every day I'm 1713 01:23:21,020 --> 01:23:18,960 finding it was like every day I was 1714 01:23:23,650 --> 01:23:21,030 finding something and also it was like 1715 01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:23,660 time anomalies associated with this 1716 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:27,120 because at the time when Jim sent me the 1717 01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:29,850 coordinates that very same week I sent 1718 01:23:34,580 --> 01:23:32,040 the manuscripts of my last book off to 1719 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:34,590 the sort of publishers Scott Crichton 1720 01:23:39,950 --> 01:23:37,290 and I worked on this book called the 1721 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:39,960 Geezer prophecy and we said that 1722 01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:43,770 manuscript was the last fun draft of the 1723 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:45,510 very same week that Jim sent me those 1724 01:23:51,229 --> 01:23:49,770 coordinates and what came up in the from 1725 01:23:53,660 --> 01:23:51,239 what I was working from the coordinates 1726 01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:53,670 I was working on made a reference the 1727 01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:55,800 things that we were right with thee we 1728 01:23:59,320 --> 01:23:57,239 have written in that book but we hadn't 1729 01:24:01,970 --> 01:23:59,330 told anybody 1730 01:24:06,010 --> 01:24:01,980 Wow and that was very strange because 1731 01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:06,020 there was a connection between Giza 1732 01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:12,239 where the Great Sphinx and spa Barbie 1733 01:24:21,379 --> 01:24:16,639 doomsday seat vault is the spa bug 1734 01:24:23,390 --> 01:24:21,389 hmm so there's a connector the small bug 1735 01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:23,400 sequel well we made the connection in 1736 01:24:27,950 --> 01:24:25,170 the book that we were writing because 1737 01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:27,960 what Scott's idea was he was fearing 1738 01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:30,960 that the the Great Pyramid it or the 1739 01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:34,800 Pyramids of Giza were were I don't know 1740 01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:36,840 it won't they weren't built for this 1741 01:24:44,810 --> 01:24:38,489 purpose that is like they were 1742 01:24:47,899 --> 01:24:44,820 appropriated to just to store seeds or 1743 01:24:53,450 --> 01:24:47,909 store other things to do with the 1744 01:24:57,229 --> 01:24:53,460 kingdom because of a catastrophe it was 1745 01:24:59,629 --> 01:24:57,239 gonna happen the way they could in 1746 01:25:04,339 --> 01:24:59,639 emerge again like the phoenix from the 1747 01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:04,349 flames you know you know and reek and 1748 01:25:09,950 --> 01:25:06,840 kick-start their their civilization 1749 01:25:12,620 --> 01:25:09,960 again so that was his theory so he used 1750 01:25:15,169 --> 01:25:12,630 the spell bar sequel as a kind of 1751 01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:15,179 analogy but a great pyramid that that's 1752 01:25:20,779 --> 01:25:18,329 what it's probably useful but it wasn't 1753 01:25:23,719 --> 01:25:20,789 built for that purpose to see what I 1754 01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:23,729 mean so we already make this connection 1755 01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,940 I think our book was the first book was 1756 01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:28,800 making this connection between small bar 1757 01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,249 in Giza you see what I found was I don't 1758 01:25:35,870 --> 01:25:34,320 know what made me do it but I started 1759 01:25:37,939 --> 01:25:35,880 looking at the numbers in the 1760 01:25:40,879 --> 01:25:37,949 coordinates and I took the last four 1761 01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:40,889 digits of each set of coordinates like 1762 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:43,440 the longitude alleged and I turn those 1763 01:25:47,149 --> 01:25:45,570 into another set of coordinates this is 1764 01:25:50,930 --> 01:25:47,159 from the Geezer coordinates as found in 1765 01:25:51,979 --> 01:25:50,940 the code and those coordinates took New 1766 01:25:55,629 --> 01:25:51,989 Straits as well bard 1767 01:25:59,120 --> 01:25:55,639 about 16 miles from the spell bar SIBO 1768 01:26:02,000 --> 01:25:59,130 so I mean that's just one just one thing 1769 01:26:03,649 --> 01:26:02,010 that came out of this you know there's 1770 01:26:07,339 --> 01:26:03,659 just so much other information that's 1771 01:26:09,020 --> 01:26:07,349 come out that is just one example in 1772 01:26:11,959 --> 01:26:09,030 fact that's a side-lying discovery 1773 01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:11,969 because the major discovery of the code 1774 01:26:17,060 --> 01:26:13,710 is that it's leading to a chamber inside 1775 01:26:19,069 --> 01:26:17,070 the Great Pyramid and it's a chamber 1776 01:26:20,839 --> 01:26:19,079 that we don't know of and you see the 1777 01:26:22,939 --> 01:26:20,849 timing of this as well and people were 1778 01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:22,949 kind of criticized you saying oh why did 1779 01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:24,449 you sit on it for thirty years you know 1780 01:26:29,150 --> 01:26:28,409 the binary code and in 2017 I don't know 1781 01:26:30,710 --> 01:26:29,160 whether you know 1782 01:26:33,950 --> 01:26:30,720 but there's been this scanning at the 1783 01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:33,960 pyramids yes it's a button chambers 1784 01:26:39,700 --> 01:26:36,960 yep and they found a void a large void 1785 01:26:42,380 --> 01:26:39,710 which is like the Grand Gallery below it 1786 01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:42,390 it's about it's not as big as the Grand 1787 01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:44,040 Gallery it's not as large as that but 1788 01:26:48,830 --> 01:26:46,530 it's above the Grand Gallery and it's is 1789 01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:48,840 kind of slanted upwards like the Grand 1790 01:26:55,070 --> 01:26:49,980 Gallery and it looks like it's leading 1791 01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:55,080 to another chamber and that is where the 1792 01:26:59,950 --> 01:26:56,610 location in the Great Pyramid that 1793 01:27:03,320 --> 01:26:59,960 there's seven coordinates appointed so 1794 01:27:06,620 --> 01:27:03,330 well so right now in the latest no how 1795 01:27:09,020 --> 01:27:06,630 do we access it at this point that's 1796 01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:09,030 right so that's only just that's only 1797 01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:12,270 one major discovery that's come out of 1798 01:27:20,090 --> 01:27:18,360 this which I think way so it's not it's 1799 01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,100 made other major discoveries that the 1800 01:27:24,140 --> 01:27:22,320 code for me because I was working on I 1801 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:24,150 was researching on the Great Pyramid and 1802 01:27:29,780 --> 01:27:27,210 looking at the map you know and I've 1803 01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:29,790 written I've written an appendix or went 1804 01:27:36,710 --> 01:27:33,770 into Robert Bauval book cosmic wound and 1805 01:27:39,170 --> 01:27:36,720 I was looking at the mathematics you 1806 01:27:41,210 --> 01:27:39,180 know the the superlative math that's 1807 01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:41,220 just been built it's been kind of 1808 01:27:45,740 --> 01:27:43,050 encapsulated into the Great Pyramid 1809 01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:45,750 you know the conventions and it's very 1810 01:27:52,010 --> 01:27:49,350 shape and one of the major discoveries 1811 01:27:53,450 --> 01:27:52,020 has come it come out of the code while 1812 01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:53,460 working on the code and which inspired 1813 01:27:57,380 --> 01:27:56,490 me to find it is that there's this fire 1814 01:28:03,440 --> 01:27:57,390 geometry 1815 01:28:05,660 --> 01:28:03,450 and that's what come out that's what's 1816 01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:05,670 come out of the code and that's the me 1817 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:09,120 as a magic discovery so it's put into 1818 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:10,890 this chamber then that could be a major 1819 01:28:15,260 --> 01:28:12,690 step you know in the future I mean we 1820 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:15,270 don't know yet as I said there's been 1821 01:28:20,060 --> 01:28:17,250 major discoveries for me this come out 1822 01:28:22,790 --> 01:28:20,070 of the courage of already so I'm not a 1823 01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:22,800 mathematician in the question when you 1824 01:28:28,730 --> 01:28:25,260 wasn't really listening was can things 1825 01:28:30,860 --> 01:28:28,740 be interpreted in different ways you 1826 01:28:33,290 --> 01:28:30,870 know obviously you're you're using the 1827 01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:33,300 code in a different way to get these 1828 01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:34,310 coordinates 1829 01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:38,250 so can the codes mean many things to 1830 01:28:43,660 --> 01:28:40,280 different people 1831 01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:43,670 yeah I'm sorry saying I don't think I'm 1832 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:44,690 nothing any of this initiative 1833 01:28:49,060 --> 01:28:46,970 informational to come out unless I use 1834 01:28:52,510 --> 01:28:49,070 the approach I've always used when I was 1835 01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:52,520 researching the encoded messages in 1836 01:28:55,540 --> 01:28:54,050 there is paintings now from the 17th 1837 01:28:58,690 --> 01:28:55,550 century like the twenty three point five 1838 01:29:02,350 --> 01:28:58,700 degree angle the Earth's axis I think 1839 01:29:03,970 --> 01:29:02,360 that I took my approach what I knew 1840 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:03,980 based on the research I was doing before 1841 01:29:10,420 --> 01:29:07,850 word to actually you know able to bring 1842 01:29:12,660 --> 01:29:10,430 this information out the code as I said 1843 01:29:15,130 --> 01:29:12,670 it's like I was prepared to do it and 1844 01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:15,140 the thing is is that when you say you 1845 01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:16,130 know you know there's other 1846 01:29:20,980 --> 01:29:19,010 interpretations know that is it's 1847 01:29:24,010 --> 01:29:20,990 factual stuff because this is 1848 01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:24,020 mathematics and geometry and those 1849 01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:26,930 things you can't unless you're wrong on 1850 01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:30,290 the math things you can't refute there 1851 01:29:34,660 --> 01:29:32,930 you know we don't use coming out of the 1852 01:29:35,770 --> 01:29:34,670 code and it's and as I said it's 1853 01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:35,780 something that you just couldn't have 1854 01:29:40,930 --> 01:29:38,530 done you couldn't have devised this 1855 01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:40,940 interesting well I'm opening up the 1856 01:29:45,700 --> 01:29:43,220 lines now if someone would like to call 1857 01:29:50,020 --> 01:29:45,710 in that number will be up and that's 1858 01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:50,030 that number is nine six oh three nine 1859 01:29:54,670 --> 01:29:53,330 six seven four OH three oh and the lines 1860 01:30:01,600 --> 01:29:54,680 are open if someone would like to call 1861 01:30:03,850 --> 01:30:01,610 in and ask a question and so Jim if if 1862 01:30:05,980 --> 01:30:03,860 this hadn't come out we may get a call 1863 01:30:08,740 --> 01:30:05,990 any second and I'll stop but sure if 1864 01:30:11,140 --> 01:30:08,750 this uh if this had not come out if 1865 01:30:13,450 --> 01:30:11,150 Larry Warren didn't blow the whistle or 1866 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:13,460 no one else talked about it anything at 1867 01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:14,090 any time 1868 01:30:17,710 --> 01:30:16,370 would this have like festered in you 1869 01:30:19,570 --> 01:30:17,720 eventually and you would have had to 1870 01:30:22,380 --> 01:30:19,580 talk about it or do you would you have 1871 01:30:25,390 --> 01:30:22,390 just stopped and never talked about it 1872 01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:25,400 well it created a lot of questions the 1873 01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:28,850 incident so I don't know I don't think I 1874 01:30:35,140 --> 01:30:30,650 would have just sat there and probably 1875 01:30:36,610 --> 01:30:35,150 never addressed it public-wise know the 1876 01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:36,620 only reason I went public because 1877 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:38,930 Colonel Hall called me like right after 1878 01:30:46,630 --> 01:30:43,010 I was out in 93 going for to do a show 1879 01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:46,640 because he didn't like what Warren was 1880 01:30:51,959 --> 01:30:49,760 saying well he wasn't there I mean that 1881 01:30:55,180 --> 01:30:51,969 we always knew that 1882 01:30:59,229 --> 01:30:55,190 but I'm not gonna get into all that 1883 01:31:01,600 --> 01:30:59,239 stuff but this is a sad situation with 1884 01:31:03,729 --> 01:31:01,610 your mom yes yes yeah we've actually 1885 01:31:06,129 --> 01:31:03,739 talked about that on this show in the 1886 01:31:07,300 --> 01:31:06,139 past we have a caller just called in 1887 01:31:10,930 --> 01:31:07,310 your first name and where you calling 1888 01:31:12,189 --> 01:31:10,940 from my name is tom i'm calling from 1889 01:31:13,899 --> 01:31:12,199 southern california 1890 01:31:17,770 --> 01:31:13,909 hi Tom welcome to the show you have a 1891 01:31:21,550 --> 01:31:17,780 question for our guests or guests yeah I 1892 01:31:25,620 --> 01:31:21,560 I'm dying to know what other things that 1893 01:31:28,540 --> 01:31:25,630 Gary Osbourne has found with the code 1894 01:31:31,709 --> 01:31:28,550 with the binary code and in particular 1895 01:31:35,700 --> 01:31:31,719 the the Seven coordinates that were 1896 01:31:39,490 --> 01:31:35,710 decoded from that code what what 1897 01:31:43,570 --> 01:31:39,500 conclusions can you share with us that 1898 01:31:45,399 --> 01:31:43,580 what you found is there I mean it's I've 1899 01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:45,409 been following this case for a long time 1900 01:31:53,350 --> 01:31:51,040 yes and and I'm just very very curious 1901 01:31:59,260 --> 01:31:53,360 you were listening when he was talking 1902 01:32:01,510 --> 01:31:59,270 about the just recently right yes and I 1903 01:32:05,410 --> 01:32:01,520 was aware of that that was actually 1904 01:32:08,290 --> 01:32:05,420 mentioned in his book the Giza prophecy 1905 01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:08,300 which I've read but I want to know what 1906 01:32:13,540 --> 01:32:10,850 what these seven coordinates are for 1907 01:32:15,850 --> 01:32:13,550 finding you know what wasn't what the 1908 01:32:17,290 --> 01:32:15,860 punchline woody it's just so much 1909 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:17,300 information has come out of sudden 1910 01:32:22,419 --> 01:32:19,850 coolness as I said to Martin it would 1911 01:32:24,250 --> 01:32:22,429 take three volumes to kind of cover 1912 01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:24,260 everything probably more than that and 1913 01:32:30,189 --> 01:32:28,400 as I said over the years new information 1914 01:32:34,330 --> 01:32:30,199 was just coming out that I answer 1915 01:32:37,540 --> 01:32:34,340 document and you know and actually while 1916 01:32:39,820 --> 01:32:37,550 we were writing this first book I was 1917 01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:39,830 also writing that book you know about 1918 01:32:43,090 --> 01:32:41,449 the code about funds in the code and 1919 01:32:45,459 --> 01:32:43,100 that book will be following this first 1920 01:32:50,350 --> 01:32:45,469 book you know and it should be out this 1921 01:32:52,660 --> 01:32:50,360 year as well so anyway the conclusions 1922 01:32:55,410 --> 01:32:52,670 there's many actually I could give you 1923 01:32:59,410 --> 01:32:55,420 another I could give you another example 1924 01:33:03,760 --> 01:32:59,420 the coordinates are pointing also to the 1925 01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:03,770 Azores in Atlantic so make of that what 1926 01:33:09,090 --> 01:33:05,250 you will 1927 01:33:13,070 --> 01:33:09,100 so it's past a bonus in the pyramid and 1928 01:33:16,740 --> 01:33:15,420 why I got involved with August so you 1929 01:33:22,620 --> 01:33:16,750 know it's kind of strange really because 1930 01:33:27,930 --> 01:33:22,630 I by chance I'll say by chance I bump 1931 01:33:31,980 --> 01:33:27,940 into Nick Pope in 1997 he seems to my 1932 01:33:36,030 --> 01:33:31,990 local path and I kind of recognized him 1933 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:36,040 from magazines and that and I went over 1934 01:33:40,590 --> 01:33:38,050 introduced myself and and Nick Pope and 1935 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:40,600 I met up several times in that pub and 1936 01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:42,490 we were talking about the experience 1937 01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:46,450 that I had in 93 and how it might kind 1938 01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:49,930 of be related to the UFO phenomenon in 1939 01:34:00,690 --> 01:33:55,210 some way and anyway we took Citroen's we 1940 01:34:06,030 --> 01:34:00,700 just met them about these things and our 1941 01:34:11,010 --> 01:34:06,040 separate ways and done in touch with me 1942 01:34:14,700 --> 01:34:11,020 in 2010 and he had no prior knowledge of 1943 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:14,710 my meeting with Nick Pope back in 97 and 1944 01:34:19,050 --> 01:34:17,290 Nick Pope and told in those kind of 1945 01:34:21,090 --> 01:34:19,060 strange and there's lots of other kind 1946 01:34:23,070 --> 01:34:21,100 of synchronistic associations of every 1947 01:34:25,470 --> 01:34:23,080 people through Dan years leading up to 1948 01:34:27,510 --> 01:34:25,480 my involvement in the code and it's like 1949 01:34:29,490 --> 01:34:27,520 these people have been directly or 1950 01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:29,500 indirectly involved with invention 1951 01:34:34,250 --> 01:34:32,050 insulin and while these people was 1952 01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:34,260 Jack's authority that the physicists 1953 01:34:39,870 --> 01:34:37,930 because Miriam would go back to the 1999 1954 01:34:41,430 --> 01:34:39,880 when I first contacted him and we used 1955 01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:41,440 to discuss things and he put me on his 1956 01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:45,250 on his email list of recipients were 1957 01:34:53,670 --> 01:34:49,410 these other people who were part of the 1958 01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:53,680 what they call the behavior II and of 1959 01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:55,330 course a few of those people are now 1960 01:34:59,940 --> 01:34:57,610 involved in the wrenching incident so I 1961 01:35:01,770 --> 01:34:59,950 said there's kind of strange things been 1962 01:35:04,140 --> 01:35:01,780 going on it's like it's all been 1963 01:35:07,050 --> 01:35:04,150 micromanaged or orchestrated behind the 1964 01:35:10,370 --> 01:35:07,060 scenes but it's kind of beyond the scope 1965 01:35:12,740 --> 01:35:10,380 of any one of the duties 1966 01:35:15,470 --> 01:35:12,750 the resources to be able to carry this 1967 01:35:17,710 --> 01:35:15,480 off I don't know all right 1968 01:35:19,940 --> 01:35:17,720 well Tommy hey thank you for the call 1969 01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:19,950 okay thank you 1970 01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:21,570 we have another caller in mind your 1971 01:35:27,020 --> 01:35:23,040 first name and where you calling from 1972 01:35:28,820 --> 01:35:27,030 please Michael from Indiana hi Michael 1973 01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:28,830 you have a question for one of our 1974 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:31,530 guests this evening yes that first other 1975 01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:33,210 one is just like has known your pedigree 1976 01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:36,540 show tonight also I was wondering about 1977 01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:38,850 the binary code wasn't there a message 1978 01:35:45,050 --> 01:35:43,020 in there supposed to be to come some 1979 01:35:50,300 --> 01:35:45,060 find resources or something for many 1980 01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:50,310 times survival when the binary code was 1981 01:35:58,670 --> 01:35:54,360 translated I know there's more 1982 01:36:02,120 --> 01:35:58,680 coordinance anyone know how to address 1983 01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:02,130 that one as long as that as or is that 1984 01:36:07,460 --> 01:36:03,510 or no there was nothing like that 1985 01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,470 yeah sure yeah go help on this because 1986 01:36:12,380 --> 01:36:09,360 when James said that he thought the 1987 01:36:14,980 --> 01:36:12,390 binary code was gibberish he means when 1988 01:36:20,570 --> 01:36:14,990 he wrote out the ones and zeros okay 1989 01:36:27,190 --> 01:36:20,580 because Jim did have some kind of some 1990 01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:27,200 subjective or subconscious kind of he 1991 01:36:35,300 --> 01:36:29,850 understood what the code the message had 1992 01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,310 said it at the level you know so it said 1993 01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:37,440 when he was when he said it was Jimmy 1994 01:36:43,820 --> 01:36:38,850 forty might be gibberish he's talking 1995 01:36:46,730 --> 01:36:43,830 about actually writing and it also came 1996 01:36:53,330 --> 01:36:46,740 out in all these reoccurring dreams they 1997 01:36:55,100 --> 01:36:53,340 had throughout the years I mean remember 1998 01:36:57,440 --> 01:36:55,110 that when they said that he contradicts 1999 01:36:59,810 --> 01:36:57,450 himself which he didn't really he just 2000 01:37:01,840 --> 01:36:59,820 said that yes yeah he understood at a 2001 01:37:04,730 --> 01:37:01,850 deep level what the message might mean 2002 01:37:06,620 --> 01:37:04,740 because there was several things in 2003 01:37:08,930 --> 01:37:06,630 there that came up when the message was 2004 01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:08,940 deciphered but at the same time he said 2005 01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:10,710 they could be Jewish because writing it 2006 01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:13,050 out in weren't writing this out in ones 2007 01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:15,390 and zeros with the message be coherent 2008 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:18,420 enough you know Frank 2009 01:37:23,580 --> 01:37:21,450 yeah just depending on where the decimal 2010 01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:23,590 plate place is 2011 01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:26,560 oh yeah that's Jared I'm I know I don't 2012 01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:31,440 know much about that yeah luciano 2013 01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:35,410 deciphered the coordinates he had the 2014 01:37:40,140 --> 01:37:37,960 same and a problem with where to place 2015 01:37:45,570 --> 01:37:40,150 the decimal point and he viewed all 2016 01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:45,580 these permutations and what he came up 2017 01:37:51,900 --> 01:37:49,690 with i was able to see how it all 2018 01:37:53,850 --> 01:37:51,910 connected when i looked at all these 2019 01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:53,860 coordinates on the map projection of the 2020 01:38:01,680 --> 01:37:57,040 earth and how they will kind of work 2021 01:38:03,300 --> 01:38:01,690 together to produce the picture yeah all 2022 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:03,310 right okay Michael knows what the pitch 2023 01:38:11,580 --> 01:38:10,090 immunity thank you he put the decimal 2024 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:11,590 point in the right places I'm sure 2025 01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:13,690 because it went all this information 2026 01:38:19,410 --> 01:38:15,790 would not have emerged otherwise right 2027 01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:19,420 right all right thanks a lot okay so the 2028 01:38:24,930 --> 01:38:20,590 lines are open if someone else would 2029 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:24,940 like to give a call and so we we talked 2030 01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:28,090 about Larry Warren briefly I don't want 2031 01:38:33,900 --> 01:38:30,250 to get into that too much but you know 2032 01:38:38,130 --> 01:38:33,910 he's been discredited and it's 2033 01:38:42,720 --> 01:38:38,140 unfortunate I just wanted to know if you 2034 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:42,730 felt as though Larry Warren hurt the 2035 01:38:46,710 --> 01:38:44,890 whole Rendlesham forest we have a call 2036 01:38:56,670 --> 01:38:46,720 coming in so if you want to hang on to 2037 01:38:59,580 --> 01:38:56,680 that thought okay well we'll get back to 2038 01:39:01,050 --> 01:38:59,590 let's take this call right now and I was 2039 01:39:02,610 --> 01:39:01,060 written that down I won't forget it 2040 01:39:08,450 --> 01:39:02,620 call your first name where you're 2041 01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,460 calling from hi Todd welcome to the show 2042 01:39:16,770 --> 01:39:10,960 and do you have a question for our 2043 01:39:18,270 --> 01:39:16,780 guests or guests I thought it's been 2044 01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:18,280 covered I kind of tuned in late so I 2045 01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:20,560 apologize you know I was actually born 2046 01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:24,370 in a Lakenheath Jim 1970 and my father 2047 01:39:31,140 --> 01:39:28,900 was stationed at Lakenheath hips which 2048 01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:31,150 led out there I was wondering if you're 2049 01:39:37,410 --> 01:39:33,790 aware of any incidents that happened in 2050 01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:37,420 that area during the time frame you were 2051 01:39:43,650 --> 01:39:41,230 there or at any time frame you know I I 2052 01:39:46,170 --> 01:39:43,660 wasn't aware of anything like that it's 2053 01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:46,180 really actually so nice that your Air 2054 01:39:53,850 --> 01:39:50,350 Force brat huh okay yeah that's okay but 2055 01:39:56,910 --> 01:39:53,860 I'll tell you what I I this is hearsay 2056 01:39:59,940 --> 01:39:56,920 but I read a book John Hanson he's 2057 01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:59,950 author and he's put out a series of 2058 01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:02,080 books and he has been more like a 2059 01:40:06,330 --> 01:40:04,480 history of stuff and they mentioned 2060 01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:06,340 stuff about the Lakenheath their 2061 01:40:11,130 --> 01:40:09,130 sentiments up there and matter of fact I 2062 01:40:13,950 --> 01:40:11,140 got a copy if I have it handy I would 2063 01:40:18,510 --> 01:40:13,960 actually tell you what the name of the 2064 01:40:20,700 --> 01:40:18,520 book it's but he describes a incidents 2065 01:40:24,930 --> 01:40:20,710 much earlier I think a Lakenheath 2066 01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:24,940 but I think that whole area according to 2067 01:40:29,370 --> 01:40:26,950 that author there and he's an 2068 01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:29,380 investigator has a lot of the 2069 01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:30,850 unexplained phenomenon that's happening 2070 01:40:37,860 --> 01:40:35,260 and I would suggest that you maybe read 2071 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:37,870 a book by him because John John's a 2072 01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:40,330 pretty straight shooter he's a retired 2073 01:40:48,420 --> 01:40:45,790 CID police officer British and he said 2074 01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:48,430 he tried to get the facts and I would 2075 01:40:52,110 --> 01:40:50,530 actually look at one of the books that 2076 01:40:53,940 --> 01:40:52,120 he has one of his early books I can't 2077 01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:53,950 remember if it's the first book he did 2078 01:40:59,210 --> 01:40:57,610 or the second book he did but he does 2079 01:41:02,190 --> 01:40:59,220 talk about 2080 01:41:12,020 --> 01:41:02,200 laking he's in particular and opera he 2081 01:41:18,570 --> 01:41:12,030 for anything - yeah on a motorway 2082 01:41:21,630 --> 01:41:18,580 probably 50 minutes no it's pretty close 2083 01:41:24,030 --> 01:41:21,640 it's pretty close okay all right well I 2084 01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:24,040 appreciate thank you for your time hey 2085 01:41:27,810 --> 01:41:26,310 nice nice talking to somebody was there 2086 01:41:29,730 --> 01:41:27,820 hey yep 2087 01:41:35,670 --> 01:41:29,740 Thank You Martin all right thanks for 2088 01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:35,680 the call so alright now Jim I have heard 2089 01:41:40,380 --> 01:41:37,990 a number of people tell me that that 2090 01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:40,390 whole area there's still stuff going on 2091 01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:42,490 and it's there's really it's a really a 2092 01:41:46,650 --> 01:41:45,250 mysterious area and the whole Rendlesham 2093 01:41:48,330 --> 01:41:46,660 forest area what do you what do you know 2094 01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:48,340 about that - do you hear a lot about 2095 01:41:52,450 --> 01:41:49,360 that 2096 01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:52,460 no not really I mean I just was just in 2097 01:41:58,060 --> 01:41:55,730 that last I just happened to know that 2098 01:42:00,460 --> 01:41:58,070 author and I saw he gave me one of his 2099 01:42:03,130 --> 01:42:00,470 books and I read it it says fascinating 2100 01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:03,140 I know there's a lot of string stuff 2101 01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:05,570 like happen even when I was there like 2102 01:42:10,030 --> 01:42:08,450 lengthen ham isn't far from there and 2103 01:42:12,190 --> 01:42:10,040 you go back in history five six hundred 2104 01:42:14,770 --> 01:42:12,200 years they like burned witches and stuff 2105 01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:14,780 there I mean they yeah they have history 2106 01:42:22,630 --> 01:42:18,800 like that some of the other things are 2107 01:42:24,250 --> 01:42:22,640 really strange when the Chuck pardon me 2108 01:42:25,660 --> 01:42:24,260 well I love the respect to call him 2109 01:42:29,620 --> 01:42:25,670 Colonel on the air I'm not gonna call 2110 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:29,630 him what I come when we were there on 2111 01:42:33,850 --> 01:42:32,090 one of the film shoots there are some 2112 01:42:37,300 --> 01:42:33,860 strange people though they're following 2113 01:42:39,730 --> 01:42:37,310 phenomena they think is happening there 2114 01:42:41,410 --> 01:42:39,740 was a group Navy Bob yeah like 50 people 2115 01:42:44,020 --> 01:42:41,420 that were waiting for us after fill 2116 01:42:45,190 --> 01:42:44,030 shoot and it was actually a little yeah 2117 01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:45,200 a little scary 2118 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:48,320 they're like thinking the the fog that's 2119 01:42:54,820 --> 01:42:51,050 hovering around is in to the east and 2120 01:42:56,650 --> 01:42:54,830 stuff I don't know well I'm not it's a 2121 01:42:59,170 --> 01:42:56,660 little different I'm not saying what 2122 01:43:01,480 --> 01:42:59,180 it's not true I just don't 2123 01:43:03,820 --> 01:43:01,490 yeah after Missouri that way you'd have 2124 01:43:06,100 --> 01:43:03,830 to show me man I mean but there's some 2125 01:43:08,530 --> 01:43:06,110 strange stuff that's going on but in the 2126 01:43:11,740 --> 01:43:08,540 same breath there is some actual stuff 2127 01:43:14,290 --> 01:43:11,750 that happens as some of the other air 2128 01:43:18,700 --> 01:43:14,300 bases in England I know Nick Pope talked 2129 01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:18,710 about a few of them and those there are 2130 01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:21,730 head scratchers just like Rendell 2131 01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:24,710 yeah yeah we have up we have another 2132 01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:27,290 caller and I still running out of time 2133 01:43:31,150 --> 01:43:29,360 and one to ask about quickly about Larry 2134 01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:31,160 Warren but let's get this caller in 2135 01:43:36,700 --> 01:43:32,960 first caller your first name and where 2136 01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:36,710 you calling from Steve an organ hi there 2137 01:43:43,420 --> 01:43:38,570 welcome to show Steve and you have a 2138 01:43:46,630 --> 01:43:43,430 question for Jim or Gary sure for Jim my 2139 01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:46,640 question is so this was during the Cold 2140 01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:49,520 War and this airbase was pretty close to 2141 01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:52,370 the front lines and the whole reason 2142 01:43:58,090 --> 01:43:54,770 that Rendlesham made it into the public 2143 01:44:00,300 --> 01:43:58,100 sphere was because of Colonel halts one 2144 01:44:02,610 --> 01:44:00,310 page memo that got released 2145 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:02,620 and in that memo and the third paragraph 2146 01:44:10,350 --> 01:44:06,970 it says that that bogeys were visible in 2147 01:44:12,420 --> 01:44:10,360 the sky for three hours to the south and 2148 01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:12,430 for like an hour and a half I can't 2149 01:44:17,190 --> 01:44:14,530 remember what it was to the north but 2150 01:44:21,950 --> 01:44:17,200 they had bogeys in the sky visible for 2151 01:44:27,570 --> 01:44:21,960 three hours are we agreed on that 2152 01:44:30,210 --> 01:44:27,580 well what that's ok his memo is a is a 2153 01:44:33,210 --> 01:44:30,220 compilation of both nights 2154 01:44:36,930 --> 01:44:33,220 ok he put them all together and he sent 2155 01:44:38,670 --> 01:44:36,940 that memo off I wasn't involved in third 2156 01:44:40,740 --> 01:44:38,680 night and no nothing like that ever 2157 01:44:44,670 --> 01:44:40,750 happened on the first night so he had to 2158 01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:44,680 be talking about the third night so my 2159 01:44:50,730 --> 01:44:47,110 question is okay I mean you guys were 2160 01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:50,740 you guys were an airbase in in the Cold 2161 01:44:55,110 --> 01:44:53,050 War you're a military base pretty close 2162 01:44:57,450 --> 01:44:55,120 to the front lines and nobody launched 2163 01:44:59,850 --> 01:44:57,460 any jets to go up and have a look I've 2164 01:45:02,490 --> 01:44:59,860 wondered well and it was during the it 2165 01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:02,500 was during Christmas and so the the 2166 01:45:06,590 --> 01:45:04,210 flying operations were shut down at our 2167 01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:06,600 base and we didn't have a quick response 2168 01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:11,250 for that that one of the bases that were 2169 01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:13,570 that would do that would be like 2170 01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:15,810 Lakenheath and stuff like that but 2171 01:45:25,710 --> 01:45:22,890 here's three nights in a row and and I 2172 01:45:31,470 --> 01:45:25,720 and you could pick up the phone and call 2173 01:45:33,870 --> 01:45:31,480 a base that I really struggled with that 2174 01:45:37,260 --> 01:45:33,880 on the whole brindell ship thing well I 2175 01:45:40,530 --> 01:45:37,270 could not happen I am I'm with you on 2176 01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:40,540 this I'll tell you why I mean how could 2177 01:45:46,260 --> 01:45:42,730 over three days 2178 01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:46,270 the RAF did nothing the RAF didn't do 2179 01:45:52,890 --> 01:45:49,840 nothing they were in charge of security 2180 01:45:55,740 --> 01:45:52,900 for a long I mean the RAF and MLB they 2181 01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:55,750 did absolutely nothing they they sat 2182 01:46:01,890 --> 01:45:57,520 there into nothing white the British 2183 01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:01,900 citizens slept least we channeled our 2184 01:46:06,630 --> 01:46:03,760 reports like we were supposed to we did 2185 01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,640 notify you know through the base 2186 01:46:12,130 --> 01:46:08,320 commander's is a wing command post we 2187 01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:12,140 did notify of bogey that had known 2188 01:46:16,780 --> 01:46:14,690 threat to the base that's what the the 2189 01:46:20,950 --> 01:46:16,790 final determination was on the first 2190 01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:20,960 night but I can't speak for the silver 2191 01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:26,960 night I want yeah a bogey is visible in 2192 01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:29,030 the sky and you don't know if it's a 2193 01:46:33,370 --> 01:46:30,610 threat right you don't know what it is 2194 01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:33,380 well guess what I said I hate to say 2195 01:46:43,390 --> 01:46:41,590 all right thanks for the call yeah I 2196 01:46:46,690 --> 01:46:43,400 never got to ask about Larry Warren just 2197 01:46:48,670 --> 01:46:46,700 a quick answer no yes or no did do you 2198 01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:48,680 think that he caused a credibility issue 2199 01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:51,850 in the whole Rendlesham force Wilson 2200 01:47:00,610 --> 01:46:57,890 just real quick 30 seconds Jim Jim was 2201 01:47:02,620 --> 01:47:00,620 talking to Jay de inglês OIG JG Engels 2202 01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:02,630 Jim yeah he told you but the containment 2203 01:47:08,350 --> 01:47:05,600 story was going to be even aliens 2204 01:47:09,820 --> 01:47:08,360 mention Colonel Williams that wing 2205 01:47:14,260 --> 01:47:09,830 commander Colonel Williams was involved 2206 01:47:17,140 --> 01:47:14,270 it was it was a flying saucer circular 2207 01:47:18,610 --> 01:47:17,150 shaped craft it's a stereotypical UFO 2208 01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:18,620 story that was going to be used as a 2209 01:47:27,370 --> 01:47:22,730 containment story cover story and what 2210 01:47:34,270 --> 01:47:27,380 happened Warren came out with the same 2211 01:47:36,490 --> 01:47:34,280 story I'm really sorry we are out of 2212 01:47:38,980 --> 01:47:36,500 time in this live radio show coming 2213 01:47:40,660 --> 01:47:38,990 right up right after us and so thank you 2214 01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:40,670 so much gentlemen it's been a real 2215 01:47:49,630 --> 01:47:47,210 pleasure that might be a good idea all 2216 01:47:50,860 --> 01:47:49,640 right you did you take care all right 2217 01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:50,870 all right bye now 2218 01:47:56,340 --> 01:47:54,050 thanks boy bye all right everyone so 2219 01:48:00,490 --> 01:47:56,350 that's it for our show this evening and 2220 01:48:02,110 --> 01:48:00,500 we have we have more nimitz coming next 2221 01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:02,120 week so stay tuned for that 2222 01:48:08,590 --> 01:48:06,290 we have Omar and we have Dave Beatty and 2223 01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:08,600 JC they're gonna join us these are 2224 01:48:13,450 --> 01:48:10,910 witness two witnesses to the Nimitz case 2225 01:48:16,030 --> 01:48:13,460 and so that's it for the show everyone 2226 01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:16,040 thanks so get thanks again and remember 2227 01:48:21,170 --> 01:48:25,280 alright Martin we're clear 2228 01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:27,260 chase glad you told me to tell you she 2229 01:48:32,089 --> 01:48:29,610 loves you okay 2230 01:48:34,370 --> 01:48:32,099 good to hear well we're still live on 2231 01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:34,380 YouTube everyone just to let you know 2232 01:48:37,020 --> 01:48:35,610 yep 2233 01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:37,030 hang on a second 2234 01:48:43,460 --> 01:48:40,400 [Music]